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hand and he looked in his eyes and said

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we're not alone welcome to podcast UFO

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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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will assure host and got a couple of

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and Linda Zimmerman UFOs more UFOs over

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Hudson Valley she'll be coming up as the

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evening Monday which is very unusual

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of it's very difficult to do a show and

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today that will be on tomorrow and then

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waxing in and we really don't have a

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daughter was standing this picture just

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something but they were really freaked

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the ghost also but well I in California

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or anything now not at all nothing

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me have to work but but of course you

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of exciting because you're you're hoping

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something will happen but once you do it

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like dozens of times it's like gets to

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be like we're you know nothing's going

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to happen and you want something to

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to happen but nothing does happen so

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like an ocean away you know yeah yeah

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I fish anymore cuz I'm a vegetarian I

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to be pretty bad not to but I have seen

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luckily when it does happen it's even

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that much more exciting didn't you see a

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I don't now no huh in a dark hallway am

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I talking to the wrong alejandro yeah

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that may be a different could very well

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be well I gave you a perfect opportunity

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to fib and you didn't how about that

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animal did you want me to know well no I

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interesting but anyway uh thanks so much

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because I've had tons of emails to go

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through social media have people to talk

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to on especially Facebook and stuff so I

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and I haven't done as much deep diving

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certainly so people can go to our site

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and see the latest but thus far I

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haven't seen a lot so no big UFO news

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even seems to have occurred it was gone

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it waited for you it did thank UFOs and

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we all wait for you too so get back to

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work and we'll see you next week all

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right I'll have some some stuff for you

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next week all right thanks a lot

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Alejandro and welcome back thanks man

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we'll be talking live next time a safe

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trip all right talk to you later

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all right everyone hang in there we'll

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be right back after this quick music

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break with Linda Zimmerman

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hey Linda welcome back to the show thank

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you I'm delighted to be here and uh kind

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of funny I'm so sorry I I announced the

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wrong name of your book so it's more

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Hudson Valley UFOs and and thank you you

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sent me the book with your personal

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notations that was very nice you and it

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was a real pleasure last time you were

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right two and a half years yes that's

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right so so for the person who hasn't

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remember what got you interested in the

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for sure and growing up in the Hudson

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thing everyone had sightings um it

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career wise but I started out as a

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research scientist for a medical

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diagnostics company and thought when I

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retired I would start writing and they

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closed the research department one day

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and I said well let me try writing and

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that was over 20 years ago and I loved

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writing about weird and our so Taric

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inevitable that UFOs and I would would

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get together it's um yes so the thing I

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hear a lot a lot of people talk about is

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Pine Bush and I know that you have some

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witnesses you you have interviewed in

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people is that what it boils down to a

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yes that's if you're looking for you

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know speculative ideas on UFOs and

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aliens that's not so much me I like to

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go to the locations interview

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of eye witnesses get historical

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information where I can and so my books

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are basically just cover to cover cases

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actual cases Wow great great and up so

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going after your last book that was

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titled UFOs Amina was at Hudson Valley

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UFOs as able to was sir my first book

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was in the night sky and that was also

273
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all Hudson Valley UFOs than it was

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Hudson Valley UFOs and I'm running out

275
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of titled the so it became more Hudson

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Valley UFOs but um I thought this is my

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one UFO book and I believe it was the

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day I got my first copies someone

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contacted me with a case and I said oh

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I'm sorry my book is done she said well

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you have to write another one because

282
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you need to hear my story and when you

283
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hear that another two three hundred

284
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times you say okay I need to do another

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book and it's the same thing the day

286
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this third book was completed I got

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three really good cases people contacted

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wow I guess not a but here we go again

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but that's what it's like being in the

290
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Hudson Valley the wealth of information

291
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here is astounding yes um I know that

292
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there was an article of written or was

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it a book written that got a lot of

294
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publicity in New York for the UFOs

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recently was picked up by I think so I'm

296
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actually a couple mainstream media yeah

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Cheryl Lacoste yes right on the

298
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statistics yes yeah New York Times

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reviewed it people are paying attention

300
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to it it's wonderful yeah Bob do you

301
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feel like there is a little bit of

302
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relaxing in the media as far as UFOs go

303
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since you've started a little bit but

304
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still

305
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there is the ridicule factor for example

306
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when they cover something about pine

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bush you know somebody has to make some

308
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sort of remark something demeaning about

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people and tinfoil hats or something

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like that

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so overall I think yes compared to say

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the 50s 60s but we we still have a long

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way to go getting respect I'm sure you

314
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found that now what about a pine Bush

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again I want to talk about that because

316
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I a person has helped me out with the

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show since just about day one lived in

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that area and she recalls sitting on the

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side of the road and you know beach

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chairs waiting at night with a whole

321
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bunch of people does just anything like

322
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that still go on well not to that degree

323
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just two weeks ago I did a bit of a sky

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watch with a friend of mine who had who

325
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runs the Pine Bush archive and we were

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sitting there and a big pickup truck

327
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comes rumbling by and we're we're still

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in farm country are like uh-oh what kind

329
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of harassment are we going to get the

330
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woman rolls down her window are you are

331
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you UFO hunting he's you know sky

332
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watching and we're like maybe yeah what

333
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why do you want to know um and she says

334
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oh let me tell you about my sighting so

335
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she she comes over and just two years

336
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ago she said a massive orange orb she

337
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called it a round craft went silently

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over her house and she said she was

339
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astounded she she you know this was the

340
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first time she'd lived there for many

341
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years and the kicker was she said you

342
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know I didn't grow up here she grew i

343
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she grew up in Pennsylvania she said

344
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it's a small town I don't know who ever

345
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heard of it called Oxford you never know

346
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who and what you will meet on the

347
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streets of pine bush but the heydays in

348
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the 80's and 90's when hundreds of

349
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people would line the streets um they're

350
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gone basically cuz

351
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it's been so developed now the big

352
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houses lining the streets and you you

353
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can't just park on somebody's property

354
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and set up a lawn chair unfortunate

355
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right right now uh I've talked to people

356
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like Mark D Antonio and who's actually

357
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you know setting up I'm not sure did you

358
00:18:20,410 --> 00:18:18,470
get to meet mark was he there he was

359
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there wasn't he the same time you're

360
00:18:27,460 --> 00:18:23,840
there uh mark was there at the Pine Bush

361
00:18:29,700 --> 00:18:27,470
UFO Festival last month yes I've talked

362
00:18:34,210 --> 00:18:29,710
to him about you know setting up this

363
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you photog you know detection units and

364
00:18:38,860 --> 00:18:37,400
hot spots and it seems like that has got

365
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to be one of the areas they must be

366
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considering I would think it would be

367
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one of their first considerations in the

368
00:18:53,170 --> 00:18:48,830
Northeast they're still wide-open fields

369
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that they could get permission there are

370
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spots where you have 360 degree views

371
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and I think that would be a great

372
00:19:07,780 --> 00:19:03,890
location oh I know I know that off the

373
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Shore of Long Island there were some

374
00:19:15,010 --> 00:19:10,300
there was a bunch of film sightings that

375
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that turned out to be just airliners you

376
00:19:18,540 --> 00:19:18,020
know coming into JFK or something like

377
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that

378
00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:23,240
but are any of these sightings in the

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Pine Bush area for instance since we're

380
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:27,470
talking about that have any of them been

381
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explained or are they just all you know

382
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:36,620
a mystery well we do have a Stewart

383
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Airport ten minutes away and a lot of

384
00:19:45,850 --> 00:19:43,160
traffic comes into that Airport on some

385
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small regional ones and of course we're

386
00:19:52,210 --> 00:19:50,000
in the New York metro area so usually

387
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within the first ten or fifteen minutes

388
00:19:57,730 --> 00:19:54,500
if you're doing a sky watch you can

389
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identify the paths that most of the

390
00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:01,340
airlines are taking certainly that that

391
00:20:07,180 --> 00:20:04,370
has been some of it you know wishful

392
00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:07,190
thinking that you're seeing a UFO coming

393
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:10,130
in for a landing and it's going to store

394
00:20:18,670 --> 00:20:14,570
but the sightings go back to the 1920s

395
00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:18,680
and the nature of the sightings it's

396
00:20:25,420 --> 00:20:22,400
very unique in Pine Bush a lot of the

397
00:20:29,410 --> 00:20:25,430
activity comes up out of the ground and

398
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:29,420
back into the round people have seen yes

399
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:32,570
people have seen craft they described as

400
00:20:37,950 --> 00:20:35,810
like Ferris wheels spiraling coming up

401
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:37,960
out of the woods out of the ground

402
00:20:44,860 --> 00:20:41,090
lights coming up and out and it's very

403
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:44,870
unusual the sounds you hear from the

404
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:47,570
ground as well like there's machinery

405
00:20:55,540 --> 00:20:52,210
under your feet it's it's really it's

406
00:20:59,680 --> 00:20:55,550
worth it to go and visit and see for

407
00:21:01,900 --> 00:20:59,690
yourself is really crazy huh and what

408
00:21:06,790 --> 00:21:01,910
about yourself have you actually seen

409
00:21:09,910 --> 00:21:06,800
something in that particular area we did

410
00:21:16,330 --> 00:21:09,920
a sky watch I'd say about two years ago

411
00:21:20,620 --> 00:21:16,340
and there was an object moving was still

412
00:21:22,810 --> 00:21:20,630
evening it was still light and I had a

413
00:21:24,490 --> 00:21:22,820
pair of binoculars and put the

414
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:24,500
binoculars and I thought I'd be

415
00:21:32,820 --> 00:21:27,890
identifying an aircraft it was small

416
00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:32,830
round wingless and moving very fast

417
00:21:39,850 --> 00:21:37,640
under the clouds um I was trying to

418
00:21:42,130 --> 00:21:39,860
think perhaps some sort of drone you

419
00:21:45,070 --> 00:21:42,140
know we have West Point Military Academy

420
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:45,080
and there is a military presence still

421
00:21:51,610 --> 00:21:47,810
it's Stewart but I don't know of any

422
00:21:55,180 --> 00:21:51,620
wingless round drones at this point and

423
00:21:58,270 --> 00:21:55,190
we also you get a strobe light effect

424
00:22:00,640 --> 00:21:58,280
there and that same night just as I'm

425
00:22:04,210 --> 00:22:00,650
thinking well nothing's going to happen

426
00:22:04,570 --> 00:22:04,220
this strobe light went off like a camera

427
00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:04,580
flash

428
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:08,270
and we had no idea where it had had come

429
00:22:14,290 --> 00:22:11,810
from and I checked the weather forecast

430
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:14,300
the you know the radar map and the

431
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:19,280
nearest lightning strikes were over 70

432
00:22:25,410 --> 00:22:22,210
miles away so

433
00:22:27,660 --> 00:22:25,420
I don't know how to explain that as well

434
00:22:32,580 --> 00:22:27,670
so things are still happening in Pine

435
00:22:36,450 --> 00:22:32,590
Bush mostly rectangular craft in the

436
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:36,460
last few years and Euler that's I mean

437
00:22:41,810 --> 00:22:38,410
you hear I'm hearing it seems like all

438
00:22:47,910 --> 00:22:41,820
the time I'm hearing about you know the

439
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:47,920
triangular but but never me very very

440
00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:50,050
rarely do you hear about you know

441
00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:51,910
rectangular I mean a friend of mine had

442
00:22:56,820 --> 00:22:54,310
a rectangular sighting and you know that

443
00:23:00,660 --> 00:22:56,830
looked like a box but can you describe

444
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:00,670
what they're seeing they're seeing

445
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:04,530
something longer than it is wide a

446
00:23:10,140 --> 00:23:07,690
rectangle generally a white light in

447
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:10,150
each corner and a red light in the

448
00:23:17,150 --> 00:23:13,360
center and I've had numerous reports of

449
00:23:20,220 --> 00:23:17,160
this over I'd say the last five years

450
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:20,230
again like the massive triangles they're

451
00:23:26,970 --> 00:23:24,210
silent generally dark black or gunmetal

452
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:26,980
one woman described something very

453
00:23:32,670 --> 00:23:29,170
interesting she said it looked like the

454
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:32,680
bottom of a glass-bottom boat as if

455
00:23:38,190 --> 00:23:34,810
there was some sort of projection or

456
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:38,200
rippling to the bottom of it and one

457
00:23:45,180 --> 00:23:41,050
other person described that they could

458
00:23:47,340 --> 00:23:45,190
see the stars uh almost as if they were

459
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:47,350
being projected on the bottom for some

460
00:23:54,090 --> 00:23:52,210
sort of stealth or invisibility but they

461
00:23:56,730 --> 00:23:54,100
knew the star panned the star patterns

462
00:23:59,220 --> 00:23:56,740
didn't look quite right they were being

463
00:24:02,520 --> 00:23:59,230
projected but a little Distortion so

464
00:24:05,850 --> 00:24:02,530
they screwed up a little they screwed up

465
00:24:07,650 --> 00:24:05,860
a little exactly and we always like to

466
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:07,660
try to exploit yes cruets

467
00:24:14,490 --> 00:24:09,250
especially when they could do so much

468
00:24:16,550 --> 00:24:14,500
right yeah now this woman that contacted

469
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:16,560
you when you finished your last book and

470
00:24:19,170 --> 00:24:18,610
said Wayman you have to write another

471
00:24:21,660 --> 00:24:19,180
book

472
00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:21,670
you have to write about my sighting did

473
00:24:26,790 --> 00:24:24,510
she make the cut is she in the book

474
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:26,800
she's in the second book made in the

475
00:24:35,380 --> 00:24:32,320
second book and uh yes and the majority

476
00:24:40,169 --> 00:24:35,390
of the stories I get are fascinating

477
00:24:46,810 --> 00:24:43,630
there are that percentage that you know

478
00:24:49,570 --> 00:24:46,820
I saw light in the sky okay I can't do

479
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:49,580
much with you know I can't do much with

480
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:52,640
that and some people they're just they

481
00:24:58,180 --> 00:24:54,770
just don't sound reliable but the

482
00:25:00,640 --> 00:24:58,190
majority of people are just honest

483
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:00,650
sincere people who saw something they

484
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,170
can't explain and they just want to

485
00:25:09,070 --> 00:25:05,360
share it with people ah well that's

486
00:25:12,130 --> 00:25:09,080
great so let's up in the notations that

487
00:25:13,930 --> 00:25:12,140
you sent me let's start off the bat I

488
00:25:17,380 --> 00:25:13,940
want to talk right off the bat about

489
00:25:19,260 --> 00:25:17,390
your favorite a witness Victoria Lama so

490
00:25:23,580 --> 00:25:19,270
however you say her name

491
00:25:28,090 --> 00:25:23,590
can you tell tell us I mean she she's up

492
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:28,100
what did she work with it I saw the FAA

493
00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:32,960
right she was a professional plane

494
00:25:37,810 --> 00:25:35,510
spotter which I didn't know existed she

495
00:25:39,580 --> 00:25:37,820
worked for many years for LaGuardia

496
00:25:44,110 --> 00:25:39,590
Airport you know a major New York

497
00:25:46,930 --> 00:25:44,120
Airport and her job was to match tail

498
00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:46,940
numbers with the type of aircraft it was

499
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:48,710
supposed to be with what the

500
00:25:54,669 --> 00:25:52,010
transponders were telling you and I said

501
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:54,679
why would you do that well because drug

502
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:57,440
dealers and other criminals will steal a

503
00:26:02,590 --> 00:26:00,799
plane alter the tail number and then

504
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:02,600
think they can just fly into a major

505
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:04,880
airport New York Airport no one will

506
00:26:10,060 --> 00:26:05,330
notice

507
00:26:14,169 --> 00:26:10,070
so she was trained to identify jets

508
00:26:16,990 --> 00:26:14,179
small planes helicopters of civilian

509
00:26:20,289 --> 00:26:17,000
military and commercial this was what

510
00:26:22,270 --> 00:26:20,299
she did for a living and a couple of

511
00:26:24,490 --> 00:26:22,280
years later she was working at

512
00:26:26,980 --> 00:26:24,500
Westchester County Airport living in

513
00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:26,990
that area she's on her way home with her

514
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:30,169
mother and she looks up and there's a

515
00:26:36,850 --> 00:26:34,730
craft so huge and so low she can't see

516
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:36,860
from side to side

517
00:26:42,940 --> 00:26:39,919
she can't even tell what shape it is she

518
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:42,950
said she was doing her best to did it's

519
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:46,130
a US Air Force on it or property of you

520
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:49,010
know the United States no

521
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:53,290
markings two lines of lights one red one

522
00:27:00,880 --> 00:26:57,410
white but about 60 feet off the ground

523
00:27:02,350 --> 00:27:00,890
and just filled the sky she gets out of

524
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:02,360
the car her mother's yelling

525
00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:04,250
hysterically other people are pulling

526
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:07,030
over they're all yelling hysterically

527
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:10,400
she races home and calls her friend

528
00:27:16,750 --> 00:27:13,970
who's one of the radar men at this

529
00:27:20,170 --> 00:27:16,760
Westchester County Airport and he says

530
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:20,180
we have it on radar I have no idea what

531
00:27:23,710 --> 00:27:20,720
it is

532
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:23,720
its enormous he's really excited he said

533
00:27:28,330 --> 00:27:25,610
you know we'll talk about this tomorrow

534
00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:28,340
so she sees it for quite a while in fact

535
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:30,950
this thing is hovering over her yard for

536
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:33,770
for several minutes next morning she

537
00:27:38,110 --> 00:27:36,050
goes she's pulling into the parking lot

538
00:27:40,690 --> 00:27:38,120
and this radar man is running around the

539
00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:40,700
parking lot she's like what what's wrong

540
00:27:46,270 --> 00:27:43,190
with this guy he runs over to the car

541
00:27:48,670 --> 00:27:46,280
and the first thing he says whatever you

542
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:48,680
do if you want to keep your job you

543
00:27:54,940 --> 00:27:50,930
didn't see anything it was a flock of

544
00:27:57,610 --> 00:27:54,950
birds my god she's like what do you set

545
00:28:00,750 --> 00:27:57,620
why you saying this right after their

546
00:28:04,810 --> 00:28:00,760
conversation on the phone

547
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:04,820
military men with guns drawn burst into

548
00:28:10,090 --> 00:28:07,730
the radar room into the tower knocked

549
00:28:13,270 --> 00:28:10,100
over a table knocking things over we're

550
00:28:15,790 --> 00:28:13,280
very intimidating and in no uncertain

551
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:15,800
terms that if you people want to keep

552
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:19,370
working here it was a flock of birds and

553
00:28:26,860 --> 00:28:24,080
that's where they had to end so when a

554
00:28:29,230 --> 00:28:26,870
woman whose job is to identify aircraft

555
00:28:32,620 --> 00:28:29,240
can't even tell me the shape of it

556
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:32,630
because it was so huge so low and then

557
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:37,370
she's threatened with her job so I asked

558
00:28:41,380 --> 00:28:38,570
her could it have been something

559
00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:41,390
military and apparently the military men

560
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:44,150
had it on their radar because there was

561
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:46,250
an Air National Guard stationed at the

562
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:49,760
airport at that time they had seen it on

563
00:28:53,770 --> 00:28:51,650
their radar that's why they rushed over

564
00:28:56,590 --> 00:28:53,780
to the civilian part of the airport and

565
00:29:00,790 --> 00:28:56,600
said this is not ours but you are not to

566
00:29:03,130 --> 00:29:00,800
talk about it so this is a actually one

567
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:03,140
other thread of that

568
00:29:09,070 --> 00:29:05,410
you hear about cover-up I mean this is

569
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:09,080
plainly a cover-up and just out of

570
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:12,290
speculation why do you think they would

571
00:29:19,570 --> 00:29:16,310
cover it up if it wasn't theirs it I do

572
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:19,580
think what do you think is involved in

573
00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:22,370
that do you think that do you think that

574
00:29:26,170 --> 00:29:24,260
the military doesn't know what these

575
00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:26,180
things are but they don't want people to

576
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:30,520
be afraid or do you think they know more

577
00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:33,970
well oh I think they have to know more

578
00:29:39,220 --> 00:29:37,340
you know they with the radar systems

579
00:29:41,260 --> 00:29:39,230
we've had for so many decades they have

580
00:29:44,050 --> 00:29:41,270
to know what's coming in and out of our

581
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:44,060
own airspace

582
00:29:51,490 --> 00:29:47,210
my theory is the whole idea of

583
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:51,500
government and military is power and if

584
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:53,600
you admit there is something you are

585
00:30:01,630 --> 00:29:57,730
completely powerless in the face of um

586
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:01,640
how how does that make you look you lose

587
00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:04,910
your your status your credibility your

588
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:09,230
sway over the population there could be

589
00:30:14,170 --> 00:30:10,490
a lot more to it

590
00:30:16,570 --> 00:30:14,180
but as far as I can tell that's probably

591
00:30:22,450 --> 00:30:16,580
the main do you think that in that

592
00:30:24,730 --> 00:30:22,460
particular case that some part of a

593
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,740
country may communicate with another

594
00:30:29,380 --> 00:30:27,200
part of another country you know along

595
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:29,390
those lines about these things like

596
00:30:34,530 --> 00:30:31,490
someone is talking about it between

597
00:30:37,210 --> 00:30:34,540
countries or do you think that each

598
00:30:39,610 --> 00:30:37,220
country just kind of you know keeps

599
00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:39,620
their their sightings under their own

600
00:30:47,770 --> 00:30:43,430
lid type of thing I would think

601
00:30:49,570 --> 00:30:47,780
countries would talk to one another here

602
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:49,580
at least I would think we're in

603
00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:51,890
communication with Mexico and Canada as

604
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:54,230
so many sightings have crossed you know

605
00:31:01,810 --> 00:30:58,880
both air spaces or all three I think it

606
00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:01,820
would behoove us to keep on top of

607
00:31:07,810 --> 00:31:04,430
things and want to know what's going on

608
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:07,820
in the rest of the world again I have no

609
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:10,880
insider knowledge of secret groups but

610
00:31:17,010 --> 00:31:14,930
it would just seem to make sense there

611
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:17,020
is definitely something going on

612
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:19,210
on we need as much information about it

613
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:23,530
as we can but but that's me yes well

614
00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:27,010
obviously they're not a danger otherwise

615
00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:29,980
we'd know it by now and so that's all

616
00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:33,400
part of a part of the equation of

617
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:34,800
everything I think

618
00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:37,810
but yeah it's interesting to speculate

619
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:40,750
on this whole theory like who knows what

620
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:42,490
what part of the government does no and

621
00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:46,090
and how you know compartmentalized is it

622
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:48,120
you know

623
00:31:54,150 --> 00:31:51,310
well sure well there was a case at

624
00:31:56,940 --> 00:31:54,160
Stewart Air Force Stewart Airport used

625
00:32:00,210 --> 00:31:56,950
to be Stewart Air Force Base and they

626
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:00,220
had a huge enormous square building

627
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:03,730
called the sage building semi-automated

628
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:06,010
ground environment I don't know why I

629
00:32:10,770 --> 00:32:08,290
remember that but it was basically part

630
00:32:13,470 --> 00:32:10,780
of the Strategic Air Command and they

631
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:13,480
watched everything coming in and out of

632
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:16,810
our airspace and in the early 60s he

633
00:32:23,250 --> 00:32:20,890
said everybody was you know freaking out

634
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:23,260
basically because something came from

635
00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:26,650
the southern part of the country racing

636
00:32:35,610 --> 00:32:31,630
at an unbelievably fast speed up the

637
00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:35,620
East Coast everybody saw it they knew

638
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:37,630
they knew from the speed and the way

639
00:32:43,290 --> 00:32:40,240
this thing was moving it was not ours it

640
00:32:45,930 --> 00:32:43,300
was not the Russians and he said

641
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:45,940
everybody was buzzing about that for

642
00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:48,640
months and when you figure somebody

643
00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:52,360
who's in the chain of having your finger

644
00:32:59,100 --> 00:32:55,750
on the nuclear button is really agitated

645
00:33:02,730 --> 00:32:59,110
and excited that is big news so they had

646
00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:02,740
to you know they had to know going back

647
00:33:06,660 --> 00:33:05,230
many many decades there are things out

648
00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:06,670
there beyond their control

649
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:11,310
don't you find it kind of unusual that

650
00:33:17,550 --> 00:33:14,890
you know all of the military people

651
00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:17,560
connected say for instance the people

652
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:19,630
that burst into the radar room they're

653
00:33:25,740 --> 00:33:21,850
you know what the guns drawn and all

654
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:25,750
that don't you think that if you know

655
00:33:30,420 --> 00:33:28,090
they retire down the line or whatever

656
00:33:30,810 --> 00:33:30,430
that there may be some loose lips or do

657
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:30,820
you think

658
00:33:37,999 --> 00:33:34,080
people really you know of threatened or

659
00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:38,009
you know have to really abide by their

660
00:33:44,370 --> 00:33:41,710
you know classification to keep their

661
00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:44,380
pension or whatever it is or do you know

662
00:33:51,210 --> 00:33:48,360
do you ever think about any of that I

663
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:51,220
have spoken to people who say it is

664
00:33:57,060 --> 00:33:54,399
still loyalty I have spoken to other

665
00:33:59,090 --> 00:33:57,070
people who did mention pensions they

666
00:34:02,190 --> 00:33:59,100
don't want to do anything to risk that

667
00:34:06,090 --> 00:34:02,200
but I have had some military men speak

668
00:34:09,210 --> 00:34:06,100
to me in the area there was a great case

669
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,220
in this latest book from 1966 from the

670
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:11,679
West Point Military Academy and I

671
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:14,409
actually spoke to the retired colonel I

672
00:34:20,490 --> 00:34:17,760
believe he was a captain at the time but

673
00:34:22,379 --> 00:34:20,500
all the cadets and instructors are

674
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:22,389
streaming out of the buildings looking

675
00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:26,530
up because there's this massive classic

676
00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:29,710
flying-saucer shape flying low over the

677
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:33,310
buildings and the MPS were flooded with

678
00:34:41,700 --> 00:34:38,220
calls the whole base knew about this and

679
00:34:44,190 --> 00:34:41,710
I said you know did you eat he actually

680
00:34:46,649 --> 00:34:44,200
followed it down to the river ice did

681
00:34:49,409 --> 00:34:46,659
you talk about it with everyone he you

682
00:34:53,809 --> 00:34:49,419
know not ideal for career advancement

683
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:53,819
and he would talk about it with me today

684
00:35:01,500 --> 00:34:58,480
but under the agreement that I would not

685
00:35:06,329 --> 00:35:01,510
reveal his name because there's still

686
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:06,339
that apprehension um could they do

687
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,010
something to him I don't know that they

688
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:11,200
would at this point for a sighting like

689
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:14,290
that but still why risk it what what

690
00:35:17,940 --> 00:35:16,450
what's what's to be gained right right

691
00:35:19,970 --> 00:35:17,950
Wow

692
00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:19,980
so let's talk about a couple of other

693
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:23,230
people that you found really interesting

694
00:35:35,579 --> 00:35:26,410
in your book on you know with that you

695
00:35:38,130 --> 00:35:35,589
interviewed oh so many um the well I'll

696
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:38,140
pick someone if that's alright oh oh

697
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:45,410
what up you're in your own book aren't

698
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:45,810
you

699
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:52,170
ah yes unfortunately so we'll get to

700
00:35:58,850 --> 00:35:56,610
that in a minute yeah but I saw in here

701
00:36:01,490 --> 00:35:58,860
there was some drawing said let's just

702
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:01,500
for instance uh talk about this really

703
00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:05,730
strange one which is as it Eddie

704
00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:09,630
is that his name yeah

705
00:36:14,740 --> 00:36:13,320
Edie and I'm just trying to see where

706
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:14,750
he's from

707
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:18,210
it's toward the end of the book there's

708
00:36:27,830 --> 00:36:22,160
a drawing on a paper plate in 1974 huh

709
00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:27,840
yes yes that was fascinating I was any

710
00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:29,460
time I did a lecture in the Hudson

711
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:31,590
Valley I usually get at least a dozen

712
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:33,690
people coming up to me afterwards to

713
00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:36,690
share their stories and his story was

714
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:38,820
just stunning and something I had never

715
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:42,420
heard anything like it before he was on

716
00:36:49,730 --> 00:36:46,650
the west side of the Hudson River and at

717
00:36:52,190 --> 00:36:49,740
that point he could see across to the

718
00:36:52,820 --> 00:36:52,200
the City of Poughkeepsie which is not

719
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:52,830
far

720
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,010
and he said this light came down and it

721
00:37:02,540 --> 00:36:59,040
resolved into the only thing he could

722
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:02,550
describe is it looked like a mountain in

723
00:37:08,300 --> 00:37:04,710
the sky it looked at like it was

724
00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:08,310
actually made of rock and on the bottom

725
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:11,310
of it was some sort of lighted craft as

726
00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:14,250
if it was attached you know look he said

727
00:37:20,330 --> 00:37:16,920
it looked like it could detach from this

728
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:20,340
enormous rock and they watched it for

729
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:23,250
many minutes he couldn't estimate the

730
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:25,470
size but he said it was just enormous

731
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:28,410
and you know a picture's worth a

732
00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:30,210
thousand words so I said could you

733
00:37:34,940 --> 00:37:32,820
sketch it for me so over on the

734
00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:34,950
refreshment table he grabbed a paper

735
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:39,030
plate and sketched this huge mountain

736
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:42,570
shape with the craft under it and you

737
00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:44,940
know I said I will take evidence any way

738
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:50,070
I can get it and this craft as enormous

739
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:54,930
as it was moved away very rapidly and he

740
00:37:59,480 --> 00:37:56,010
and several

741
00:38:01,130 --> 00:37:59,490
saw it and uh maybe some of your

742
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:01,140
listeners have heard of something but

743
00:38:05,780 --> 00:38:03,510
like this but I have never heard of

744
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:05,790
something that looked like an actual

745
00:38:12,109 --> 00:38:09,570
mountain of rock in the sky that was

746
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:12,119
really that was a new one never heard of

747
00:38:18,490 --> 00:38:14,510
anything like that

748
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:18,500
so and you talked earlier about the

749
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:21,090
vibrations and noises that people heard

750
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:24,210
underground that's back in Pine Bush

751
00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:26,130
going back to that

752
00:38:29,330 --> 00:38:28,980
can you describe more of what that was

753
00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:29,340
like

754
00:38:36,590 --> 00:38:34,260
anything it's Hershey

755
00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:36,600
some people kind of describe it as a

756
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:40,260
tremor an earthquake but mostly a hum or

757
00:38:47,590 --> 00:38:44,910
a vibration I what I hear most often is

758
00:38:50,090 --> 00:38:47,600
if someone was doing construction

759
00:38:53,050 --> 00:38:50,100
underground you know the sound at a

760
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:53,060
construction site only if that was

761
00:39:03,310 --> 00:38:56,850
beneath your feet under the ground which

762
00:39:07,550 --> 00:39:03,320
I don't know how to explain that but I

763
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:07,560
recently also got an email from a woman

764
00:39:14,380 --> 00:39:10,910
who said that she was one of those early

765
00:39:16,609 --> 00:39:14,390
West Sears Vil Road in Pine Bush

766
00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:16,619
skywatchers where the hundreds of people

767
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:20,070
would gather and she said she's standing

768
00:39:26,660 --> 00:39:22,710
there one night and up out of the ground

769
00:39:28,340 --> 00:39:26,670
she said came a swirl of electricity of

770
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,350
energy she said it almost looked like

771
00:39:34,730 --> 00:39:31,200
the rings of Saturn and half a block

772
00:39:38,570 --> 00:39:34,740
away it lit up a tree like daylight and

773
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:38,580
then it faded back into the ground

774
00:39:43,810 --> 00:39:41,700
she said she ran towards it as that's a

775
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:43,820
true Sky Watcher you run towards these

776
00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:47,760
Waveland as fast as she could and by the

777
00:39:51,740 --> 00:39:49,740
time she got to the ground the rings

778
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:51,750
were gone but she said you know the

779
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:54,480
fourth of July sparklers it was like

780
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:56,850
these sparklers were leaping out of the

781
00:40:03,590 --> 00:40:00,240
ground and then it all faded and nothing

782
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:03,600
was there today but that's why well in a

783
00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:04,770
case like that you would think that

784
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:07,380
someone would test the ground area to

785
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:08,760
see what they could come up with do you

786
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:09,490
know if anyone has

787
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:13,110
done anything like that people have done

788
00:40:19,830 --> 00:40:15,490
electromagnetic tests and found there

789
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:19,840
are unusual fields in the area which may

790
00:40:24,980 --> 00:40:22,480
be from the geology or underground water

791
00:40:33,630 --> 00:40:24,990
sources I don't know but they definitely

792
00:40:34,170 --> 00:40:33,640
have found there's anomalous normal call

793
00:40:37,170 --> 00:40:34,180
it normal

794
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:37,180
anomalous energies are in the ground at

795
00:40:43,590 --> 00:40:39,910
Pine Bush for sure that is really really

796
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:43,600
interesting so let's talk about Barbara

797
00:40:52,260 --> 00:40:46,800
at West Point Military Academy back in

798
00:40:55,350 --> 00:40:52,270
1966 that case that was the one I was

799
00:40:58,620 --> 00:40:55,360
mentioning Barbara's father was the

800
00:41:00,570 --> 00:40:58,630
colonel but it was fascinating to hear

801
00:41:02,190 --> 00:41:00,580
the start of the story she and her

802
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,200
mother you know they were stationed at

803
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:04,720
the base are walking across a courtyard

804
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:07,450
between buildings and she's just a

805
00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:09,910
little kid and all of a sudden all she

806
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:11,980
said all these men in uniforms are

807
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:15,000
rushing out pointing up to the sky and

808
00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:17,410
she didn't know what was going on at

809
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:19,270
first and then they all looked up and

810
00:41:27,540 --> 00:41:22,090
that's when they saw the enormous disc

811
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:27,550
and the mother later called the MPS and

812
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:32,200
he said it had been reported up and down

813
00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:35,290
the Hudson River that day those were his

814
00:41:38,849 --> 00:41:35,950
words

815
00:41:41,609 --> 00:41:38,859
oh so that's pretty interesting when the

816
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:41,619
military police states something like

817
00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:43,690
that and also said they had been swamped

818
00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:46,750
with calls on the base that day going

819
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:53,950
back to the radar signals or data are

820
00:42:00,960 --> 00:41:58,480
you mentioned that the the person said

821
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:00,970
that it was a huge can they actually

822
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:03,510
tell how big something is through radar

823
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:09,850
or is it just like approximate um I'm

824
00:42:15,930 --> 00:42:13,119
not sure how detailed they can get I'm

825
00:42:19,830 --> 00:42:15,940
sure with modern radar it can be a lot

826
00:42:23,010 --> 00:42:19,840
more this was 1983 so I'm not a radar

827
00:42:23,340 --> 00:42:23,020
expert but I'm sure you could tell the

828
00:42:27,630 --> 00:42:23,350
differ

829
00:42:31,860 --> 00:42:27,640
between a jumbo jet and a small plane by

830
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:31,870
the size of the blip you know but he

831
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:35,110
clearly said it was an enormous huge

832
00:42:44,250 --> 00:42:41,130
object so he had that capacity right and

833
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:44,260
do you have when you're researching for

834
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:47,290
your book how do you go about that do

835
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:49,810
you start out with you know a lot of

836
00:42:54,210 --> 00:42:51,490
people used to start out with microfiche

837
00:42:59,690 --> 00:42:54,220
and look for cases how do you actually

838
00:43:02,880 --> 00:42:59,700
do that besides people contacting you um

839
00:43:05,940 --> 00:43:02,890
other than that yes I spend a lot of

840
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:05,950
hours getting seasick watching

841
00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:11,110
microfiche go by but a lot of online

842
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:14,260
newspaper searches as well and that's

843
00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:16,570
one of the things that has really caught

844
00:43:22,110 --> 00:43:19,630
my attention is the wave of sightings I

845
00:43:27,780 --> 00:43:22,120
found in the Hudson Valley and in the

846
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:27,790
Northeast from 1908 to 1910 and I've

847
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:31,930
found countless articles from the Hudson

848
00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:37,410
Valley from Boston from Canada

849
00:43:45,540 --> 00:43:40,950
throughout this area people were seeing

850
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:45,550
at night an enormous dark cigar shaped

851
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:49,200
object with one two three lights it

852
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:52,960
could go up to an altitude estimated at

853
00:44:02,850 --> 00:43:57,520
at least 1500 feet which is a key number

854
00:44:09,420 --> 00:44:02,860
because Wilbur Wright in 1908 self set

855
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,430
an altitude record of 361 feet that's as

856
00:44:15,450 --> 00:44:11,520
high anyone had gotten in a place so

857
00:44:19,710 --> 00:44:15,460
1500 feet at night no planes were flying

858
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:19,720
at night many of the reporters I have to

859
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:21,280
hand it to them they really did their

860
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:24,010
due diligence when there was a sighting

861
00:44:28,860 --> 00:44:26,410
they would go around to anybody who

862
00:44:32,370 --> 00:44:28,870
might have a dirigible or a balloon and

863
00:44:35,250 --> 00:44:32,380
they would report every balloon has been

864
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:38,609
and so you knew there was no man-made

865
00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:42,130
craft but no one was hysterical no one

866
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:44,460
thought it was people from Venus or Mars

867
00:44:50,130 --> 00:44:47,440
they thought it was somebody like the

868
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:50,140
Wright brothers or Thomas Edison they

869
00:44:56,250 --> 00:44:53,050
kept saying the genius inventor who has

870
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,260
invented something that can hover move

871
00:45:01,920 --> 00:44:59,440
at incredibly rapid rate can fly at

872
00:45:04,170 --> 00:45:01,930
night can carry enormous searchlights

873
00:45:07,290 --> 00:45:04,180
and they often described it was like

874
00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:07,300
they were searching for something and

875
00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:10,150
could go one night one was seen from New

876
00:45:18,060 --> 00:45:14,740
York to Boston and nothing was flying

877
00:45:20,340 --> 00:45:18,070
that distance as I said at night and

878
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:20,350
this went on for a couple of years so

879
00:45:26,660 --> 00:45:22,930
I've spent a lot of time in newspaper

880
00:45:30,330 --> 00:45:26,670
archives looking for cases like that

881
00:45:33,870 --> 00:45:30,340
searching a profiles Project Blue Book

882
00:45:37,710 --> 00:45:33,880
files because there's still a lot of

883
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:37,720
untapped cases and information in blue

884
00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:39,850
book for sure Wow

885
00:45:46,859 --> 00:45:42,910
I am always fascinated by the early

886
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:46,869
cases especially when you know there's

887
00:45:52,050 --> 00:45:49,450
the the saying out there that the modern

888
00:45:54,060 --> 00:45:52,060
UFO age of you know there were no

889
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:54,070
sightings before 47 that's what you hear

890
00:46:00,359 --> 00:45:58,240
a lot which is you know baloney exactly

891
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:00,369
duh oh Linda we're losing you to the

892
00:46:04,260 --> 00:46:02,710
dark you're gonna have to turnin okay

893
00:46:04,770 --> 00:46:04,270
you have to turn on some type of light

894
00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:04,780
there

895
00:46:08,460 --> 00:46:06,760
I can turn yeah that's good how is that

896
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:08,470
- oh that's fine

897
00:46:16,460 --> 00:46:13,090
yeah okay sorry I I'm so used to working

898
00:46:21,090 --> 00:46:16,470
in the dark I don't notice anymore

899
00:46:25,020 --> 00:46:21,100
so I want to talk about you wrote an

900
00:46:27,690 --> 00:46:25,030
article about dogs and UFOs and I found

901
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:27,700
that I'm a real dog lover I want to hear

902
00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:30,310
about that the inspiration and about

903
00:46:39,540 --> 00:46:36,670
that sure uh well I was looking at open

904
00:46:43,290 --> 00:46:39,550
minds I I love ala Hondo rowhouses news

905
00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:43,300
on your show and also um you know his

906
00:46:48,539 --> 00:46:46,030
news he posts on the website and I saw

907
00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:48,549
this interesting case about where a

908
00:46:54,839 --> 00:46:52,150
here seem to be noticing the UFO and I

909
00:46:57,569 --> 00:46:54,849
love these animal reaction cases and I

910
00:47:01,259 --> 00:46:57,579
said you know I've dealt with a lot of

911
00:47:04,709 --> 00:47:01,269
cases where dogs seem to have noticed

912
00:47:07,410 --> 00:47:04,719
something along with the owners but the

913
00:47:10,410 --> 00:47:07,420
dogs you should usually see or sense

914
00:47:13,919 --> 00:47:10,420
something first they'll start whining or

915
00:47:16,759 --> 00:47:13,929
barking won't want to go outside

916
00:47:20,009 --> 00:47:16,769
there was a great case where this dog

917
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:20,019
very very agitated so the owners trying

918
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:22,089
to push him out the back door and he

919
00:47:26,759 --> 00:47:24,609
used to love to go out but he pushes him

920
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:26,769
out the back door and the dog curls up

921
00:47:33,179 --> 00:47:29,890
in the ball and is terrified and the

922
00:47:36,499 --> 00:47:33,189
owner suddenly realizes the entire sky

923
00:47:40,829 --> 00:47:36,509
is blacked out from a giant triangle and

924
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:40,839
so the dog sensed something and so what

925
00:47:46,620 --> 00:47:42,900
I did in this article is gathered

926
00:47:50,009 --> 00:47:46,630
several of those cases and it made me

927
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:50,019
think we know dogs have superior hearing

928
00:47:59,009 --> 00:47:54,609
especially in the high range maybe part

929
00:48:01,650 --> 00:47:59,019
of our UFO hunting equipment should be

930
00:48:04,439 --> 00:48:01,660
audio equipment that can hear in the

931
00:48:06,839 --> 00:48:04,449
ranges that a dog can hear that's right

932
00:48:10,650 --> 00:48:06,849
well we you know we I forget what the

933
00:48:12,689 --> 00:48:10,660
percentage is but we we can only see so

934
00:48:14,489 --> 00:48:12,699
much around us that we can only hear so

935
00:48:16,650 --> 00:48:14,499
much around us and this can be a lot of

936
00:48:20,939 --> 00:48:16,660
things going on that we there are out of

937
00:48:24,419 --> 00:48:20,949
our ranges so you know especially when

938
00:48:26,579 --> 00:48:24,429
it comes to a vision you know in a night

939
00:48:28,650 --> 00:48:26,589
you know night vision - you know all

940
00:48:32,189 --> 00:48:28,660
that but there's still a lot of waves

941
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:32,199
where we can't detect us through our

942
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:36,249
eyes and other senses so and you know

943
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:39,369
you talk about of the sink coming out of

944
00:48:43,229 --> 00:48:40,689
the ground and going back into the

945
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:43,239
ground and all that and and the

946
00:48:48,140 --> 00:48:45,729
vibration and all that and it starts to

947
00:48:51,479 --> 00:48:48,150
make me wonder about what some people

948
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:51,489
think could be another dimension type of

949
00:48:59,780 --> 00:48:54,400
thing has anyone ever talked about that

950
00:49:02,630 --> 00:48:59,790
or is that too too far out um

951
00:49:05,210 --> 00:49:02,640
I'm open to the possibilities obviously

952
00:49:08,590 --> 00:49:05,220
I have no proof of that but from the

953
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:08,600
things people have been describing

954
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:12,180
another dimension would certainly help

955
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:14,970
to explain these things objects suddenly

956
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:19,290
appearing several cases where it seemed

957
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,610
as though the craft went into a slit

958
00:49:32,810 --> 00:49:25,680
people will describe like a slit in the

959
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:32,820
sky or would shrink to a point um things

960
00:49:40,010 --> 00:49:36,290
that you know iron our modern physics

961
00:49:42,140 --> 00:49:40,020
our everyday physics let's say would

962
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:42,150
have a hard time explaining for sure

963
00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:44,910
right yeah absolutely

964
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:47,880
now you talked about lights in the sky

965
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:51,420
is that would you say that's I know

966
00:49:57,230 --> 00:49:53,450
that's a majority of a lot of sightings

967
00:49:59,180 --> 00:49:57,240
is that what you would say also happens

968
00:50:03,610 --> 00:49:59,190
in New York is mostly lights and then

969
00:50:10,130 --> 00:50:08,120
was surprised I thought the bulk of what

970
00:50:14,030 --> 00:50:10,140
people would tell me would be lights in

971
00:50:19,340 --> 00:50:14,040
the sky and it's actually not a really

972
00:50:23,060 --> 00:50:19,350
big percentage I was stunned how many

973
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:23,070
people had sightings within one or two

974
00:50:32,380 --> 00:50:29,520
hundred feet prolonged sightings missing

975
00:50:37,550 --> 00:50:32,390
time if you want to get into that uh

976
00:50:40,220 --> 00:50:37,560
very very close encounters um seeing

977
00:50:42,110 --> 00:50:40,230
things hovering over their car looking

978
00:50:44,570 --> 00:50:42,120
through you know seeing the light coming

979
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:44,580
out of the windows of these craft and

980
00:50:50,570 --> 00:50:46,920
picking out details they were so close

981
00:50:52,910 --> 00:50:50,580
and I can't say this happens everywhere

982
00:50:56,690 --> 00:50:52,920
in the world but the Hudson Valley it's

983
00:51:00,320 --> 00:50:56,700
very up close and personal in a I would

984
00:51:02,270 --> 00:51:00,330
say even a majority of the cases of

985
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:02,280
course there's the all I saw something

986
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:05,970
flying by but that was the thing about

987
00:51:12,890 --> 00:51:09,300
the wave in the 1980s when the massive

988
00:51:13,609 --> 00:51:12,900
triangular craft were coming by they

989
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:13,619
were at

990
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:16,440
three top-level which I heard time and

991
00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:20,249
time again I had people tell me they

992
00:51:24,019 --> 00:51:22,380
could hit it with a baseball if they had

993
00:51:25,940 --> 00:51:24,029
a rock they could have hit it they could

994
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:25,950
have hit it with a tennis ball in other

995
00:51:33,529 --> 00:51:31,140
words it was so close um that it could

996
00:51:39,710 --> 00:51:33,539
not be mistaken for anything else Wow

997
00:51:42,410 --> 00:51:39,720
amazing yeah how do you think the

998
00:51:44,420 --> 00:51:42,420
average person do you think the average

999
00:51:48,380 --> 00:51:44,430
person just gets over something like

1000
00:51:53,299 --> 00:51:48,390
that or do you think they carry it with

1001
00:51:55,819 --> 00:51:53,309
them no yeah no getting over it is not

1002
00:51:58,099 --> 00:51:55,829
something when it's an intense sighting

1003
00:52:02,779 --> 00:51:58,109
that is not something that that happens

1004
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:02,789
in fact part of my fascination was I

1005
00:52:10,190 --> 00:52:07,680
wanted to see 20 30 years later how did

1006
00:52:12,589 --> 00:52:10,200
these people who had these intense

1007
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:12,599
sightings handle it how did it change

1008
00:52:20,349 --> 00:52:16,410
their lives and for the most part these

1009
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:20,359
were life-altering experiences and uh

1010
00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:22,710
you know they're grown-up and have

1011
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:25,710
children now or or senior citizens and

1012
00:52:31,069 --> 00:52:28,079
you know decades on from their

1013
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:31,079
experience and I'll tell you I wish I

1014
00:52:36,609 --> 00:52:32,910
had a dollar for every time someone said

1015
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:36,619
I remember it like it was yesterday and

1016
00:52:42,789 --> 00:52:39,930
many people said it opened them up to

1017
00:52:46,759 --> 00:52:42,799
new possibilities they became more

1018
00:52:50,180 --> 00:52:46,769
spiritual more tolerant but there is a

1019
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:50,190
significant percentage of people who are

1020
00:52:56,210 --> 00:52:53,730
still living in fear one woman in

1021
00:52:58,190 --> 00:52:56,220
particular said she is still terrified

1022
00:53:00,170 --> 00:52:58,200
to bring the garbage out at night she

1023
00:53:04,339 --> 00:53:00,180
won't do it unless someone turns on the

1024
00:53:08,930 --> 00:53:04,349
light and goes out with her so I I don't

1025
00:53:09,979 --> 00:53:08,940
want to diminish the impact trivialize

1026
00:53:14,140 --> 00:53:09,989
this at all

1027
00:53:16,759 --> 00:53:14,150
this can be extremely traumatic and

1028
00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:16,769
terrified people for the rest of their

1029
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:17,369
lives

1030
00:53:23,989 --> 00:53:20,910
as well yes I'm on my my sighting I had

1031
00:53:26,180 --> 00:53:23,999
there was never I never felt threatened

1032
00:53:27,380 --> 00:53:26,190
but I could understand how someone could

1033
00:53:28,759 --> 00:53:27,390
feel

1034
00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:28,769
especially when you're talking about

1035
00:53:33,549 --> 00:53:30,630
these cases with Hertz like right over

1036
00:53:36,019 --> 00:53:33,559
you know right over the car or whatever

1037
00:53:38,839 --> 00:53:36,029
boy I'll tell you that would be scary

1038
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:38,849
when you just felt like it had no way

1039
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:41,569
out so let's talk about you mentioned

1040
00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:44,970
missing time cases can you talk about

1041
00:53:55,490 --> 00:53:51,420
some of those uh yes just and I will

1042
00:54:00,650 --> 00:53:55,500
segue into my own okay well at the end

1043
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:00,660
of that but yeah people who are driving

1044
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:03,359
to a destination there's one woman she

1045
00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:07,410
was you know an older woman very active

1046
00:54:13,460 --> 00:54:10,529
in the community and was very strict

1047
00:54:16,299 --> 00:54:13,470
about her punctuality and she was on her

1048
00:54:19,099 --> 00:54:16,309
way to I think it was a Ladies Auxiliary

1049
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:19,109
meeting in town I believe this was

1050
00:54:27,769 --> 00:54:23,599
Carmel area and she saw this craft

1051
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:27,779
absolutely fascinated came very low she

1052
00:54:32,779 --> 00:54:29,849
thought this was a one or two minute

1053
00:54:35,029 --> 00:54:32,789
sighting gets to the meeting and

1054
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:35,039
everybody's like are you alright she's

1055
00:54:39,380 --> 00:54:37,410
like what are you talking about well we

1056
00:54:43,370 --> 00:54:39,390
started 45 minutes ago

1057
00:54:50,359 --> 00:54:43,380
she's like no that's that's just not

1058
00:54:52,279 --> 00:54:50,369
possible and other cases where you're

1059
00:54:55,220 --> 00:54:52,289
just going about your business and you

1060
00:54:58,339 --> 00:54:55,230
realize it's an hour later and you don't

1061
00:55:01,269 --> 00:54:58,349
know anything of what happened but for

1062
00:55:04,099 --> 00:55:01,279
the most part the missing time is people

1063
00:55:08,299 --> 00:55:04,109
seeing something seeing something very

1064
00:55:13,059 --> 00:55:08,309
close thinking the activity the sighting

1065
00:55:16,609 --> 00:55:13,069
was brief or a minute or two and losing

1066
00:55:20,180 --> 00:55:16,619
sometimes hours of time I've had many

1067
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:20,190
people say the next thing they know they

1068
00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:22,410
wake up it's morning and they're in

1069
00:55:29,509 --> 00:55:25,380
their driveway and they have no idea how

1070
00:55:32,809 --> 00:55:29,519
they got got there and in addition to

1071
00:55:35,809 --> 00:55:32,819
that they may lose that they have no

1072
00:55:39,380 --> 00:55:35,819
idea of what happened and maybe in a

1073
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:39,390
year maybe ten years maybe it'll all

1074
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,480
come back to them

1075
00:55:44,820 --> 00:55:42,400
was a fascinating case from the early

1076
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:44,830
60s a family was driving home from the

1077
00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:48,730
movies and a massive craft stopped in

1078
00:55:53,609 --> 00:55:51,190
the road in front of them I love this

1079
00:55:56,550 --> 00:55:53,619
description the little girl went down on

1080
00:55:59,220 --> 00:55:56,560
the the back floor she was so scared and

1081
00:56:03,030 --> 00:55:59,230
she said there was this strange energy

1082
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:03,040
and she watched the carpet fibers rise

1083
00:56:08,130 --> 00:56:06,640
up all the carpet fibers rose up as if

1084
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:08,140
there was some sort of static

1085
00:56:15,570 --> 00:56:11,530
electricity and the whole yeah I I get

1086
00:56:17,609 --> 00:56:15,580
goosebumps just thinking of that and the

1087
00:56:19,650 --> 00:56:17,619
next thing they know they're getting

1088
00:56:21,150 --> 00:56:19,660
home and the grandmothers like what took

1089
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:21,160
you so long and they're like what do you

1090
00:56:27,180 --> 00:56:23,910
mean they all forgot about it

1091
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:27,190
20 years later they're all sitting down

1092
00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:30,250
to Thanksgiving dinner and suddenly one

1093
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:33,190
of them says remember what we saw when

1094
00:56:38,070 --> 00:56:35,260
we were coming back from the movies that

1095
00:56:40,590 --> 00:56:38,080
night and just like that all of the

1096
00:56:44,670 --> 00:56:40,600
family remember members remembered at

1097
00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:44,680
once it was like a switch went off and I

1098
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:48,910
find this time and again um a woman I

1099
00:56:53,010 --> 00:56:50,890
just interviewed she couldn't remember

1100
00:56:55,890 --> 00:56:53,020
anything she was camping one night and

1101
00:56:58,290 --> 00:56:55,900
she thought these little woodland

1102
00:57:01,830 --> 00:56:58,300
creatures deer or something were coming

1103
00:57:04,980 --> 00:57:01,840
near to her and she realized they were

1104
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:04,990
short people with very large eyes and

1105
00:57:11,790 --> 00:57:09,040
her girlfriend saw the same thing and it

1106
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:11,800
wasn't until two years later that they

1107
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:14,850
both remembered at the same time and

1108
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:17,680
it's like there's a time delay some sort

1109
00:57:24,990 --> 00:57:22,030
of fuse on these experiences that maybe

1110
00:57:28,170 --> 00:57:25,000
it's gone forever but maybe years from

1111
00:57:31,380 --> 00:57:28,180
now you'll spontaneously recall all of

1112
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:31,390
all the details interesting yes I've

1113
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:34,920
heard of a number of cases where people

1114
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:38,700
will either have a sighting and

1115
00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:41,410
be together with a bunch of people and

1116
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:43,510
they don't even talk about it and then

1117
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:45,040
they'll talk about it in like years

1118
00:57:48,690 --> 00:57:46,960
later you know they won't talk about the

1119
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:48,700
next day or anything like that but years

1120
00:57:53,820 --> 00:57:52,330
later it'll it'll come back as a memory

1121
00:57:56,460 --> 00:57:53,830
many many times

1122
00:58:00,480 --> 00:57:56,470
and you know maybe that is let's say

1123
00:58:04,170 --> 00:58:00,490
that somehow there is an abduction or

1124
00:58:09,330 --> 00:58:04,180
something and they're blocking out the

1125
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,340
time also the memories perhaps maybe it

1126
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:11,440
only lasts for so long or you know I

1127
00:58:17,580 --> 00:58:13,210
mean I guess that's what regression

1128
00:58:20,510 --> 00:58:17,590
hypnosis can sometimes pull that up if

1129
00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:20,520
if that's what it is but let's hear a

1130
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:22,990
gun yeah

1131
00:58:28,770 --> 00:58:24,250
no no I was going to say I want to hear

1132
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:28,780
about your own situation oh okay

1133
00:58:37,170 --> 00:58:32,110
um I had written in the first book about

1134
00:58:41,490 --> 00:58:37,180
a sighting I had very briefly three

1135
00:58:45,390 --> 00:58:41,500
lights were moving over my neighborhood

1136
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:45,400
and we jumped in the car and I thought

1137
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:48,900
we followed it up to this State Park

1138
00:58:55,890 --> 00:58:53,770
Harriman State Park and we watched it

1139
00:58:59,250 --> 00:58:55,900
and it was fascinating these three

1140
00:59:02,240 --> 00:58:59,260
lights came together in a burst of

1141
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:02,250
bright light and as one glowing object

1142
00:59:08,580 --> 00:59:05,290
lowered to the top of this mountain at

1143
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:08,590
this point a state trooper pulls up and

1144
00:59:12,210 --> 00:59:10,450
he's like you know I had run out of the

1145
00:59:13,980 --> 00:59:12,220
door in my bathrobe so I'm in the

1146
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:13,990
bathroom with you know a couple of

1147
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:15,670
people in the middle of a state park at

1148
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:18,160
night um so I didn't want to sound

1149
00:59:24,620 --> 00:59:20,890
completely crazy but I said just turn

1150
00:59:27,420 --> 00:59:24,630
around and look and he saw this glowing

1151
00:59:28,890 --> 00:59:27,430
object on the top of the mat he said get

1152
00:59:33,210 --> 00:59:28,900
out of here now

1153
00:59:36,810 --> 00:59:33,220
and we did and in fact he blew by us he

1154
00:59:39,450 --> 00:59:36,820
was so terrified with this yep um though

1155
00:59:43,020 --> 00:59:39,460
I've been telling this story I thought I

1156
00:59:45,420 --> 00:59:43,030
knew every minute of that night because

1157
00:59:46,770 --> 00:59:45,430
it was the most remarkable thing I've

1158
00:59:51,930 --> 00:59:46,780
seen in my entire life

1159
00:59:54,810 --> 00:59:51,940
no no question about it and um last

1160
00:59:57,150 --> 00:59:54,820
think October I said you know I used to

1161
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:57,160
keep a diary let me see this was in the

1162
01:00:03,630 --> 01:00:00,400
late 70s early 80s and I said I you know

1163
01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:03,640
Here I am being a UFO historian and I

1164
01:00:07,749 --> 01:00:05,710
don't know the date of my own sighting

1165
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:07,759
so one day I just sat the

1166
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:10,130
are going through page after page which

1167
01:00:16,839 --> 01:00:13,130
is very weird going through your life 35

1168
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:16,849
years ago and I come across the date

1169
01:00:23,859 --> 01:00:21,049
December 9 1979 and I'm reading my own

1170
01:00:27,099 --> 01:00:23,869
handwriting and it talks about how we

1171
01:00:30,609 --> 01:00:27,109
jumped in the car and went to this

1172
01:00:33,639 --> 01:00:30,619
reservoir and I stood there for an hour

1173
01:00:35,609 --> 01:00:33,649
with a pair of binoculars looking at

1174
01:00:39,069 --> 01:00:35,619
this craft zipping in one direction

1175
01:00:42,459 --> 01:00:39,079
stopping going back and forth and we

1176
01:00:44,769 --> 01:00:42,469
watched this for an hour and it was like

1177
01:00:48,579 --> 01:00:44,779
reading the handwriting of a stranger

1178
01:00:50,979 --> 01:00:48,589
because I was like no that I never went

1179
01:00:54,489 --> 01:00:50,989
to the reservoir that night that didn't

1180
01:00:56,919 --> 01:00:54,499
why did I write this so I was with my

1181
01:00:59,559 --> 01:00:56,929
ex-boyfriend that night so I called him

1182
01:01:02,019 --> 01:00:59,569
up I said do you remember that night oh

1183
01:01:04,029 --> 01:01:02,029
yeah vividly and I said did we go to

1184
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:04,039
this reservoir he said you know I

1185
01:01:09,669 --> 01:01:07,609
remember going to the reservoir but I

1186
01:01:12,969 --> 01:01:09,679
have no recollection of what happened

1187
01:01:17,259 --> 01:01:12,979
after that I'm like oh no don't don't

1188
01:01:20,620 --> 01:01:17,269
tell me that yet one of our group does

1189
01:01:23,469 --> 01:01:20,630
remember some of that night then the

1190
01:01:26,889 --> 01:01:23,479
next night we apparently went back to

1191
01:01:29,259 --> 01:01:26,899
this state park watched I said saw more

1192
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:29,269
of the strange things I knew they would

1193
01:01:33,819 --> 01:01:31,849
be there I'm like how did I know they

1194
01:01:38,589 --> 01:01:33,829
would be there I wrote all this stuff

1195
01:01:41,799 --> 01:01:38,599
and then promptly forgot it and it had I

1196
01:01:44,439 --> 01:01:41,809
not written that down I wouldn't have

1197
01:01:47,319 --> 01:01:44,449
known that happened and I have tried and

1198
01:01:51,249 --> 01:01:47,329
tried you know let me relax and bring

1199
01:01:53,769 --> 01:01:51,259
myself back to that time you're you're

1200
01:01:56,019 --> 01:01:53,779
into a part appraisal you can imagine a

1201
01:01:58,829 --> 01:01:56,029
large painting with the center cut out

1202
01:02:01,449 --> 01:01:58,839
of it and that's what it feels like

1203
01:02:04,269 --> 01:02:01,459
something cut out the center of my

1204
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:04,279
memory I was able to write it that night

1205
01:02:11,199 --> 01:02:07,729
so it wasn't exactly missing time but

1206
01:02:14,769 --> 01:02:11,209
I'm calling it a race time within 24

1207
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:14,779
hours I have no recollection of it I

1208
01:02:20,319 --> 01:02:16,729
don't know what happened during that

1209
01:02:21,710 --> 01:02:20,329
time period and it bothers it it

1210
01:02:26,810 --> 01:02:21,720
genuinely

1211
01:02:29,060 --> 01:02:26,820
me because otherwise I've had no problem

1212
01:02:31,550 --> 01:02:29,070
with my memory I'm very proud of my

1213
01:02:34,970 --> 01:02:31,560
family when I'm giving lectures and

1214
01:02:37,220 --> 01:02:34,980
things so this is a big deal for me and

1215
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:37,230
I still haven't come to grips with have

1216
01:02:45,710 --> 01:02:39,680
you thought about trying regression

1217
01:02:49,550 --> 01:02:45,720
hypnotherapy I would if I could find

1218
01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:49,560
someone who came highly recommended I

1219
01:02:55,220 --> 01:02:52,710
don't personally know of somebody like

1220
01:02:57,770 --> 01:02:55,230
that if you do or if anybody does I'm

1221
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:57,780
I'm interested in here yeah well we'll

1222
01:03:04,070 --> 01:02:59,760
talk we'll talk off here I have someone

1223
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:04,080
up to connect okay with you know calm

1224
01:03:08,660 --> 01:03:07,050
because you know I understand how you

1225
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:08,670
have to be really really cautious

1226
01:03:14,030 --> 01:03:11,609
because of some people possibly could

1227
01:03:18,260 --> 01:03:14,040
lead you you know in some way or another

1228
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:18,270
and yeah it's very sensitive so captain

1229
01:03:26,990 --> 01:03:20,970
right I would need somebody who has

1230
01:03:28,550 --> 01:03:27,000
worked on these cases before and you

1231
01:03:30,380 --> 01:03:28,560
know a lot of people are saying oh you

1232
01:03:36,620 --> 01:03:30,390
don't want to know yeah I do

1233
01:03:38,930 --> 01:03:36,630
I absolutely do I'm that type of person

1234
01:03:42,890 --> 01:03:38,940
that if something was messing with my

1235
01:03:45,050 --> 01:03:42,900
mind I want to know about it so that

1236
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:45,060
that's really something you saw it at a

1237
01:03:52,010 --> 01:03:48,210
distance most likely and you still could

1238
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:52,020
have been affected in this way and that

1239
01:03:56,450 --> 01:03:54,000
is also something I've heard other

1240
01:03:59,030 --> 01:03:56,460
people say as well which is really

1241
01:04:01,700 --> 01:03:59,040
bizarre I mean like how can they focus

1242
01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:01,710
on you on the ground when they're over

1243
01:04:04,070 --> 01:04:02,160
there

1244
01:04:06,050 --> 01:04:04,080
you know that type of thing but it seems

1245
01:04:08,359 --> 01:04:06,060
like other people have said the same

1246
01:04:12,050 --> 01:04:08,369
thing mm-hmm

1247
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:12,060
and and I I was also stunned when I

1248
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:15,410
wrote I knew they would go to Harriman

1249
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:19,170
how did I know that you know I mean I

1250
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:21,540
was adamant I knew they would go so

1251
01:04:27,260 --> 01:04:23,609
that's why we left the reservoir and

1252
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:27,270
then drove up to Harriman to the exact

1253
01:04:34,210 --> 01:04:29,760
spot where those lights came together

1254
01:04:37,030 --> 01:04:34,220
yeah that's bizarre you know so

1255
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:37,040
they were in my head somehow I have no

1256
01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:39,530
idea did you ever speak but I want that

1257
01:04:42,940 --> 01:04:40,310
pardon me

1258
01:04:46,510 --> 01:04:42,950
yes I do ever speak to the officer that

1259
01:04:50,170 --> 01:04:46,520
raced away after that I don't know who

1260
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:50,180
he was I don't but if he's out there

1261
01:04:56,170 --> 01:04:53,810
listening I did speak to someone who was

1262
01:04:58,570 --> 01:04:56,180
a caretaker at the State Park lived on

1263
01:05:01,930 --> 01:04:58,580
the grounds of the park it's an enormous

1264
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:01,940
park but he said there were things

1265
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:04,910
flying around all the time in that area

1266
01:05:11,830 --> 01:05:09,770
and it's interesting that I was hooked

1267
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:11,840
on UFO books when I was a kid Frank

1268
01:05:18,370 --> 01:05:14,690
Edwards books flying saucer serious

1269
01:05:21,490 --> 01:05:18,380
business he had published a photo of

1270
01:05:24,070 --> 01:05:21,500
this man Vincent Poorna in the early 60s

1271
01:05:27,220 --> 01:05:24,080
who was fishing at the lake nearby and

1272
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:27,230
had taken a picture of this coppery disc

1273
01:05:34,930 --> 01:05:31,970
and I saw this photo when I was a kid

1274
01:05:37,450 --> 01:05:34,940
and I'm like wait a minute this is where

1275
01:05:40,839 --> 01:05:37,460
my family goes on Saturdays and Sunday

1276
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:40,849
this is suddenly in my backyard so to

1277
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:43,970
speak this isn't you know out in Arizona

1278
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:47,359
down in Brazil this was local so that

1279
01:05:55,329 --> 01:05:50,089
really made an impression on me as a kid

1280
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:55,339
that um you know these UFOs were were

1281
01:05:59,980 --> 01:05:57,770
everywhere right right now I know the

1282
01:06:02,470 --> 01:05:59,990
Hudson Valley was formed I think it was

1283
01:06:04,270 --> 01:06:02,480
formed like after the last ice age or

1284
01:06:11,050 --> 01:06:04,280
perhaps another one or something like

1285
01:06:17,940 --> 01:06:11,060
that but the geography of it can you

1286
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:17,950
explain the type of area that it covers

1287
01:06:26,530 --> 01:06:21,890
sure the Hudson Valley basically goes

1288
01:06:29,620 --> 01:06:26,540
from New York City up some it gets very

1289
01:06:32,650 --> 01:06:29,630
deep many hundreds of feet of there are

1290
01:06:38,579 --> 01:06:32,660
Palisades coming up mountains through

1291
01:06:42,010 --> 01:06:38,589
its course up to the Albany area and the

1292
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:42,020
geology is unique in this area there's a

1293
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:46,160
lot of iron mines in fact a lot of the

1294
01:06:52,450 --> 01:06:47,930
activity and the wave of the

1295
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:52,460
1980s was near a couple of minds that

1296
01:07:01,320 --> 01:06:56,410
were very high had very pure magnetite

1297
01:07:04,750 --> 01:07:01,330
so magnetised iron so that's one of the

1298
01:07:08,820 --> 01:07:04,760
theories that it's something about the

1299
01:07:11,830 --> 01:07:08,830
geology of this area that attracts them

1300
01:07:14,050 --> 01:07:11,840
in addition to the river itself which

1301
01:07:17,410 --> 01:07:14,060
has had a lot of activity in and out of

1302
01:07:22,170 --> 01:07:17,420
it and over it on many many lakes and

1303
01:07:24,460 --> 01:07:22,180
reservoirs um right water is prevalent

1304
01:07:27,610 --> 01:07:24,470
everywhere

1305
01:07:30,460 --> 01:07:27,620
and mountains and still as close as we

1306
01:07:33,820 --> 01:07:30,470
are to New York City an hour hour and a

1307
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:33,830
half away and you're on farm country or

1308
01:07:43,570 --> 01:07:37,250
you can be in the woods we have the

1309
01:07:47,470 --> 01:07:43,580
Catskill Mountains so you can still find

1310
01:07:50,260 --> 01:07:47,480
very isolated locations interesting and

1311
01:07:53,740 --> 01:07:50,270
it's it's also interesting when you say

1312
01:07:57,310 --> 01:07:53,750
the the metal content there seems to be

1313
01:08:00,640 --> 01:07:57,320
a lot of weird anomalies and sightings

1314
01:08:04,090 --> 01:08:00,650
around round mountains with like brown

1315
01:08:06,730 --> 01:08:04,100
mountain high copper content also

1316
01:08:09,340 --> 01:08:06,740
there's a few other places where and

1317
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:09,350
that seems like it would be explainable

1318
01:08:15,610 --> 01:08:13,010
for like natural phenomena but not for

1319
01:08:21,610 --> 01:08:15,620
when people are seeing actual physical

1320
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:21,620
craft you know speaking of that do you

1321
01:08:28,930 --> 01:08:25,090
think that there is a percentage of oh

1322
01:08:32,050 --> 01:08:28,940
say black projects or you know military

1323
01:08:33,850 --> 01:08:32,060
crap that people are actually seeing

1324
01:08:35,410 --> 01:08:33,860
that we don't know about I mean that's

1325
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:35,420
another thing that comes up quite a bit

1326
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:41,330
on the show yes I think a percentage of

1327
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:46,370
that is most likely some people think

1328
01:08:53,980 --> 01:08:49,730
that all the massive triangles in the

1329
01:08:55,690 --> 01:08:53,990
1980s were these black projects but you

1330
01:08:58,030 --> 01:08:55,700
know triangles have been seen for

1331
01:09:00,030 --> 01:08:58,040
decades before and they are still being

1332
01:09:04,140 --> 01:09:00,040
seen and

1333
01:09:08,610 --> 01:09:04,150
um I do question the sanity of many many

1334
01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:08,620
any military organization who would have

1335
01:09:17,070 --> 01:09:12,310
one of their secret test craft hovering

1336
01:09:19,559 --> 01:09:17,080
over a major highway all lit up and

1337
01:09:20,910 --> 01:09:19,569
people stopping their cars in the middle

1338
01:09:23,789 --> 01:09:20,920
of the highway and getting out and

1339
01:09:29,490 --> 01:09:23,799
thousands of people seeing your secret

1340
01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:29,500
craft every night you know that I

1341
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:32,710
suppose that's possible but again these

1342
01:09:39,180 --> 01:09:37,120
things were seen far before that period

1343
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:39,190
of time in fact not in the Hudson Valley

1344
01:09:45,150 --> 01:09:41,290
but just two days ago a man from

1345
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:45,160
Tennessee contacted me he read some of

1346
01:09:50,460 --> 01:09:47,650
my books and he said I just wanted to

1347
01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:50,470
let you know that triangles are not

1348
01:09:55,620 --> 01:09:52,510
exclusive to the Hudson Valley he said

1349
01:09:58,710 --> 01:09:55,630
in 1963 he's at a party and everybody's

1350
01:10:03,390 --> 01:09:58,720
playing in the yard and a massive silent

1351
01:10:06,090 --> 01:10:03,400
triangle came slowly floating right over

1352
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:06,100
everybody and he said all the parents

1353
01:10:11,820 --> 01:10:08,050
grabbed their kids and thought it was a

1354
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:11,830
Russian you know craft and with me they

1355
01:10:21,090 --> 01:10:15,280
were all about to die but here he's you

1356
01:10:25,290 --> 01:10:21,100
know 1963 over Tennessee and David

1357
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:25,300
Marla's book on triangular UFOs he's

1358
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:28,050
found wonderful evidence going back

1359
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:32,110
generations for these crafts so yes

1360
01:10:39,150 --> 01:10:36,970
absolutely there are black projects for

1361
01:10:42,210 --> 01:10:39,160
military craft and things we probably

1362
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:42,220
can't conceive of but certainly that

1363
01:10:47,550 --> 01:10:44,290
doesn't explain everything in the Hudson

1364
01:10:51,690 --> 01:10:47,560
Valley and which makes those cases from

1365
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:51,700
1908 to 1909 ten even more crucial

1366
01:10:58,800 --> 01:10:54,880
setting the precedents hey we had this

1367
01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:58,810
going on a hundred years before these

1368
01:11:04,500 --> 01:11:01,840
things were were happening I noticed in

1369
01:11:07,740 --> 01:11:04,510
your book that you had some sightings

1370
01:11:10,380 --> 01:11:07,750
from out of state listed here and what

1371
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:10,390
what was the I think I saw the Illinois

1372
01:11:17,380 --> 01:11:12,890
was one of them

1373
01:11:20,980 --> 01:11:17,390
well as you said I love the older cases

1374
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:20,990
yep and so I did go a little far afield

1375
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:24,530
this time in some cases because they

1376
01:11:31,420 --> 01:11:27,850
were just they were so stunning

1377
01:11:34,030 --> 01:11:31,430
Illinois that one was was funny he was a

1378
01:11:36,670 --> 01:11:34,040
little boy and he saw this craft he

1379
01:11:39,900 --> 01:11:36,680
watched it for half an hour and when he

1380
01:11:43,210 --> 01:11:39,910
got home his mother gave him a spanking

1381
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:43,220
because of telling this tall tale and

1382
01:11:49,810 --> 01:11:47,090
being gone so long and I mean how could

1383
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:49,820
I resist somebody getting a spanking

1384
01:11:57,070 --> 01:11:53,600
from a UFO sighting and then there was

1385
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,080
another case from the 1930s in

1386
01:12:02,290 --> 01:11:59,360
Massachusetts where a man saw he thought

1387
01:12:05,140 --> 01:12:02,300
it was a dirigible realized it wasn't

1388
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:05,150
but could see figures behind these

1389
01:12:11,740 --> 01:12:07,810
lighted windows and he had the

1390
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:11,750
overwhelming word urge to wave at them

1391
01:12:20,110 --> 01:12:15,920
he said they were like my friends and he

1392
01:12:22,180 --> 01:12:20,120
just felt so drawn to them and when the

1393
01:12:26,260 --> 01:12:22,190
craft moved into the clouds and moved

1394
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:26,270
away he felt a sense of law and this is

1395
01:12:36,430 --> 01:12:33,650
in the 1930s so you know when people are

1396
01:12:40,210 --> 01:12:36,440
trying to say everything is post Roswell

1397
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:40,220
or you know post Whitley streamers

1398
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:44,960
communion book no that's why I have to

1399
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:47,600
present those cases to say here we have

1400
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:52,010
a precedence predating by decades these

1401
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:53,120
other events

1402
01:13:01,480 --> 01:12:57,280
yeah I do too love the early ones and

1403
01:13:03,790 --> 01:13:01,490
but I want to you to touch on the

1404
01:13:09,810 --> 01:13:03,800
hoaxing pilots what what is that one

1405
01:13:13,150 --> 01:13:09,820
about the baning of a UFO researchers

1406
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:13,160
existence in the Hudson Valley there

1407
01:13:19,150 --> 01:13:17,120
were a group of men who I would like to

1408
01:13:22,210 --> 01:13:19,160
call morons but I'm trying to be

1409
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:22,220
politically correct who flew both

1410
01:13:26,420 --> 01:13:24,890
Cessnas and ultralight if you're

1411
01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:26,430
familiar with ultralights they're like

1412
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:29,820
go karts with airplane with lawnmower

1413
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:32,850
engines and they thought it would be

1414
01:13:40,970 --> 01:13:35,970
very funny to fly in formation at night

1415
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:40,980
um have coordinated lights lighting

1416
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:44,010
systems turn their lights completely off

1417
01:13:50,330 --> 01:13:47,120
to make it look like the UFO disappeared

1418
01:13:53,180 --> 01:13:50,340
which of course is completely illegal to

1419
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:53,190
turn your lights off on an aircraft and

1420
01:13:58,370 --> 01:13:56,130
they did this for several years and got

1421
01:14:01,760 --> 01:13:58,380
such a kick out of it

1422
01:14:04,910 --> 01:14:01,770
but none of them would go on the record

1423
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:04,920
and give their names I have two of their

1424
01:14:09,770 --> 01:14:07,050
names right now unfortunately they're

1425
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:09,780
both deceased but I'm trying to get

1426
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,690
someone to have the guts to come forward

1427
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:14,640
and say yes it was me

1428
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:18,330
show me your your logbook what nights

1429
01:14:24,350 --> 01:14:21,600
did you fly how far did you fly because

1430
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:24,360
a lot of the activity during that time

1431
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:28,290
was also happening in Connecticut in

1432
01:14:32,330 --> 01:14:30,330
western Connecticut so we'd have it in

1433
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:32,340
the Hudson Valley and either before or

1434
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:34,410
after it would be seen in can--it's so

1435
01:14:42,290 --> 01:14:38,490
quite a far range and this went on for

1436
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:42,300
many years and I want I want to know

1437
01:14:48,890 --> 01:14:46,080
what dates they flew and for the most if

1438
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:48,900
they did fool people there's no question

1439
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:49,410
about it

1440
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:53,370
but for the most part people said I saw

1441
01:14:59,090 --> 01:14:56,010
the silent triangular craft hovering at

1442
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:59,100
treetop level and I saw those idiots and

1443
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:01,920
their Cessnas or their ultra lights they

1444
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:04,800
were making noise they couldn't hold you

1445
01:15:12,230 --> 01:15:08,880
know a set pattern and you know to them

1446
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:12,240
there was no question when they saw the

1447
01:15:19,930 --> 01:15:15,600
Polka Singh pilots and when they saw the

1448
01:15:22,250 --> 01:15:19,940
actual silent craft so there's a lot of

1449
01:15:26,780 --> 01:15:22,260
conspiracy theories that they were paid

1450
01:15:31,100 --> 01:15:26,790
to do this for disinformation why they

1451
01:15:34,730 --> 01:15:31,110
were never arrested or no one was ever

1452
01:15:38,540 --> 01:15:34,740
brought up on charges and people people

1453
01:15:39,859 --> 01:15:38,550
had accidents um you know they terrified

1454
01:15:42,050 --> 01:15:39,869
people

1455
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,060
and it finally came to the end when they

1456
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:44,400
started getting threatening phone calls

1457
01:15:48,890 --> 01:15:46,770
as people found out they'd stake out the

1458
01:15:50,450 --> 01:15:48,900
airport this was happening at the small

1459
01:15:52,879 --> 01:15:50,460
Stormville Airport

1460
01:15:55,810 --> 01:15:52,889
they'd stake it out and get their their

1461
01:15:58,700 --> 01:15:55,820
tail numbers and find out who they were

1462
01:16:00,800 --> 01:15:58,710
and then there was an article one day in

1463
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:00,810
the paper that a pregnant woman drove

1464
01:16:08,660 --> 01:16:03,840
off the road and suddenly they realized

1465
01:16:10,609 --> 01:16:08,670
there could be liability issues and you

1466
01:16:12,919 --> 01:16:10,619
know nobody wanted to lose their flight

1467
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:12,929
certification and it finally mercifully

1468
01:16:20,180 --> 01:16:17,760
came to an end but as late as last year

1469
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:20,190
I was doing a conference in Danbury

1470
01:16:26,270 --> 01:16:23,040
Connecticut to try to bring witnesses

1471
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:26,280
out and somebody posted on the newspaper

1472
01:16:33,850 --> 01:16:29,730
website oh sorry to burst everybody's

1473
01:16:37,060 --> 01:16:33,860
bubble but every sighting in the 1980s

1474
01:16:41,540 --> 01:16:37,070
was these you knows my dad and his

1475
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:41,550
friends hoaxing uh you know hoaxing UFOs

1476
01:16:47,899 --> 01:16:45,690
and people believe that they buy that

1477
01:16:53,450 --> 01:16:47,909
and they'll just dismiss that entire

1478
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:53,460
decade by these pilots so um you know

1479
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:56,250
Dante's Inferno I like to think there's

1480
01:17:02,089 --> 01:16:59,520
a special place in hell for these for

1481
01:17:04,459 --> 01:17:02,099
these hoaxing pilots for muddying what

1482
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:04,469
is one of the most spectacular wave of

1483
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:07,530
sightings in all of history yeah yeah I

1484
01:17:15,979 --> 01:17:11,520
agree hoaxing in any way I remember uh

1485
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:15,989
where I grew up in back in the 1970s

1486
01:17:19,939 --> 01:17:18,239
there were some hoaxes in going on there

1487
01:17:24,260 --> 01:17:19,949
was a wave first of all in New England

1488
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:24,270
and so because of that you know people

1489
01:17:29,149 --> 01:17:26,730
were you know looking out on their lawns

1490
01:17:31,459 --> 01:17:29,159
and waiting and you know all this and so

1491
01:17:32,660 --> 01:17:31,469
these people did something with lights

1492
01:17:35,419 --> 01:17:32,670
and some gravel-pit

1493
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:35,429
and I remember they got caught but you

1494
01:17:41,870 --> 01:17:38,010
know I never heard about hoaxing as much

1495
01:17:43,700 --> 01:17:41,880
back then as you seem to you know so

1496
01:17:45,820 --> 01:17:43,710
this was during the 80s that was during

1497
01:17:48,859 --> 01:17:45,830
the 70s so I guess it was happening but

1498
01:17:51,919 --> 01:17:48,869
but now it's all through video all the

1499
01:17:53,330 --> 01:17:51,929
video hoaxing through YouTube that's

1500
01:17:55,790 --> 01:17:53,340
where they do it I'll

1501
01:17:59,390 --> 01:17:55,800
I know people send me these and look at

1502
01:18:02,800 --> 01:17:59,400
this event and it's so obviously fake

1503
01:18:06,189 --> 01:18:02,810
and I don't what is the name of that's

1504
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:06,199
something ten oh yeah secure team ten

1505
01:18:11,780 --> 01:18:09,449
the Cure team ten people will send me

1506
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:11,790
the secure team ten I'm like yep don't

1507
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:16,290
you know this is all fabricated so it's

1508
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:21,330
unfortunate and again the ones who do

1509
01:18:26,570 --> 01:18:23,010
have something legitimate they

1510
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:26,580
photographed or videotaped it's not

1511
01:18:30,260 --> 01:18:28,290
going to be looked at in the same way

1512
01:18:32,689 --> 01:18:30,270
it's immediately going to be considered

1513
01:18:35,540 --> 01:18:32,699
a hoax because it's so easy to do now

1514
01:18:39,020 --> 01:18:35,550
and I think it's I can only see that

1515
01:18:41,050 --> 01:18:39,030
getting worse you know as far as the

1516
01:18:47,089 --> 01:18:41,060
technology getting better to do that

1517
01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:47,099
mm-hmm you know what part of would you

1518
01:18:51,589 --> 01:18:50,310
say these days Chinese lanterns and

1519
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:51,599
drones and things like that

1520
01:19:00,620 --> 01:18:54,480
what part of sightings do you think is

1521
01:19:03,770 --> 01:19:00,630
attributable to that um not so much the

1522
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:03,780
Chinese lanterns sometimes on New Year's

1523
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:06,090
and event you know when it's holidays

1524
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:09,210
and I hear these glowing or you know

1525
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:11,130
floating things I immediately think

1526
01:19:17,109 --> 01:19:14,130
Chinese lanterns but drones for sure

1527
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:17,119
with daylight sightings in particular

1528
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:20,400
I'm getting a lot of people sending

1529
01:19:26,030 --> 01:19:24,000
photographs and if you look you you know

1530
01:19:28,899 --> 01:19:26,040
you would you blow it up and enhance it

1531
01:19:33,379 --> 01:19:28,909
you can see the little quadcopter

1532
01:19:36,979 --> 01:19:33,389
propellers and things so yes that's

1533
01:19:41,950 --> 01:19:36,989
another monkey wrench in the in the

1534
01:19:44,209 --> 01:19:41,960
whole sighting thing drones are

1535
01:19:45,979 --> 01:19:44,219
everywhere in our skies and like you

1536
01:19:48,530 --> 01:19:45,989
said that is only going to get worse

1537
01:19:53,209 --> 01:19:48,540
yeah well yeah absolutely

1538
01:19:55,700 --> 01:19:53,219
so let's talk about some other you know

1539
01:20:00,669 --> 01:19:55,710
Hudson Valley of sightings that you

1540
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:00,679
consider really noteworthy in your book

1541
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:05,010
okay um there was one case someone

1542
01:20:10,690 --> 01:20:07,290
recently told me

1543
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:10,700
I love the interaction type cases and

1544
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:15,450
he's looking at a massive circular craft

1545
01:20:21,550 --> 01:20:18,930
it's ringed with multicolored lights and

1546
01:20:25,460 --> 01:20:21,560
he's looking and he said in particular

1547
01:20:28,460 --> 01:20:25,470
he thought he's thinking wow those blue

1548
01:20:31,810 --> 01:20:28,470
lights are really pretty and with that

1549
01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:31,820
the entire craft went blue all the

1550
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:36,510
lights turned blue and he you know okay

1551
01:20:40,780 --> 01:20:38,250
that's a good one

1552
01:20:48,470 --> 01:20:40,790
you know when they when they actually

1553
01:20:50,660 --> 01:20:48,480
interact is is a fabulous case um the

1554
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:50,670
one of the Connecticut sightings

1555
01:20:56,420 --> 01:20:54,690
I loved the description she said they

1556
01:20:59,810 --> 01:20:56,430
stopped the car because they saw

1557
01:21:01,970 --> 01:20:59,820
something and again so massive I can't

1558
01:21:04,610 --> 01:21:01,980
imagine this that it just filled the sky

1559
01:21:09,260 --> 01:21:04,620
she said the way she described it to me

1560
01:21:12,530 --> 01:21:09,270
the entire sky was metal and lights Wow

1561
01:21:17,690 --> 01:21:12,540
that that was it metal and lights and

1562
01:21:20,420 --> 01:21:17,700
and no sound one of my favorite

1563
01:21:23,810 --> 01:21:20,430
interviews for one of the past books

1564
01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:23,820
there were three teachers who were going

1565
01:21:29,690 --> 01:21:26,510
to graduate school in New York City and

1566
01:21:32,270 --> 01:21:29,700
coming back home driving on the Taconic

1567
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:32,280
Parkway which figured in a lot of

1568
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:35,370
sightings and they saw these cars pulled

1569
01:21:40,700 --> 01:21:37,920
off to the side of the road and this was

1570
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:40,710
this was common in the 1980s people on

1571
01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:43,290
highways just stopping their cars and

1572
01:21:50,900 --> 01:21:47,490
getting out and she said that the three

1573
01:21:53,540 --> 01:21:50,910
lady said that there was again a massive

1574
01:21:57,710 --> 01:21:53,550
triangle brightly lit up treetop level

1575
01:22:00,320 --> 01:21:57,720
and they were standing directly under it

1576
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:00,330
and they could describe it in great

1577
01:22:07,850 --> 01:22:04,890
detail and unexpected her to say they

1578
01:22:10,130 --> 01:22:07,860
saw it for 30 seconds maybe a minute I

1579
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:10,140
mean a minute standing under something

1580
01:22:17,180 --> 01:22:12,810
like this would be life-altering they

1581
01:22:20,660 --> 01:22:17,190
stood there for 20 minutes and this

1582
01:22:22,959 --> 01:22:20,670
craft didn't move for 20 minutes

1583
01:22:26,510 --> 01:22:22,969
I don't know how you deal with something

1584
01:22:29,419 --> 01:22:26,520
like that the rest of your life and the

1585
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:29,429
only way they finally left the one woman

1586
01:22:34,459 --> 01:22:32,489
she just started to get very agitated

1587
01:22:36,110 --> 01:22:34,469
she says I have to get out of here I

1588
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:36,120
have to get out of here so they drove

1589
01:22:43,939 --> 01:22:40,800
off but who knows how much longer it was

1590
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:43,949
hovering so when you know getting back

1591
01:22:48,740 --> 01:22:46,170
to those hoaxing pilots so when people

1592
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:48,750
say it was a formation of ultralights

1593
01:22:57,260 --> 01:22:53,730
you just want to scream because you know

1594
01:23:02,870 --> 01:22:57,270
these are intensely close sightings for

1595
01:23:05,630 --> 01:23:02,880
very long durations yes yes I had heard

1596
01:23:09,470 --> 01:23:05,640
of a you know I'm as I mentioned earlier

1597
01:23:12,740 --> 01:23:09,480
going to be going to Russia and I had

1598
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:12,750
spoke to someone over there that they

1599
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:15,210
actually saw what they said it looked

1600
01:23:21,130 --> 01:23:18,690
like a washing machine you know and it

1601
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:21,140
was just like spinning and sitting above

1602
01:23:25,700 --> 01:23:24,090
their houses and all these people are

1603
01:23:28,090 --> 01:23:25,710
coming out looking at it it didn't make

1604
01:23:31,610 --> 01:23:28,100
any noise it was just sitting there and

1605
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:31,620
so I basically wanted to find out how

1606
01:23:37,669 --> 01:23:34,290
long it was something like eight hours

1607
01:23:39,020 --> 01:23:37,679
the thing was there I mean isn't that

1608
01:23:40,970 --> 01:23:39,030
crazy that's I've never heard of

1609
01:23:43,580 --> 01:23:40,980
anything like that that's that's

1610
01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:43,590
mind-blowing no and you know little

1611
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:45,510
small town in Russia what are they going

1612
01:23:49,490 --> 01:23:47,489
to do you know that they're not going to

1613
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:49,500
you know get the fire truck with a

1614
01:24:01,850 --> 01:23:55,440
ladder and co-op or something yeah so

1615
01:24:04,250 --> 01:24:01,860
let's uh let's talk about after you said

1616
01:24:05,780 --> 01:24:04,260
you finished this book you said you were

1617
01:24:07,010 --> 01:24:05,790
already contacted by someone I know you

1618
01:24:10,370 --> 01:24:07,020
probably probably wouldn't want to give

1619
01:24:14,900 --> 01:24:10,380
a spoiler alert for your next book but

1620
01:24:17,930 --> 01:24:14,910
oh why I don't mind um because we're

1621
01:24:21,790 --> 01:24:17,940
talking about unique shaped craft and

1622
01:24:24,890 --> 01:24:21,800
this one is certainly unique um this uh

1623
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:24,900
she was at in her teens and she was

1624
01:24:30,620 --> 01:24:27,330
babysitting two kids a boy and a girl

1625
01:24:34,069 --> 01:24:30,630
and they're playing in the front yard

1626
01:24:36,290 --> 01:24:34,079
and all of a sudden she

1627
01:24:38,510 --> 01:24:36,300
she said I know he's going to sound

1628
01:24:41,870 --> 01:24:38,520
bizarre she said it was shaped like a

1629
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:41,880
loaf of Italian bread you know long

1630
01:24:48,890 --> 01:24:45,840
cylindrical but it was the cult school

1631
01:24:51,919 --> 01:24:48,900
bus yellow so this bright yellow and

1632
01:24:54,319 --> 01:24:51,929
it's coming in so low and it's such an

1633
01:24:57,020 --> 01:24:54,329
angle she thought it was going to smash

1634
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:57,030
into the houses or hit the ground so she

1635
01:25:01,879 --> 01:24:59,520
very vividly described how she got the

1636
01:25:05,109 --> 01:25:01,889
children behind her she's shielding the

1637
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:05,119
children with her body and is backing up

1638
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:08,880
towards the house the next thing she

1639
01:25:15,260 --> 01:25:11,760
knows she and the children know the

1640
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:15,270
parents come home they find the front

1641
01:25:22,580 --> 01:25:20,250
and back door standing wide open and the

1642
01:25:25,609 --> 01:25:22,590
babysitter and their two kids all

1643
01:25:29,780 --> 01:25:25,619
huddled in this big armchair they're all

1644
01:25:31,879 --> 01:25:29,790
huddled together sound asleep and it

1645
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:31,889
took some effort to wake them up and

1646
01:25:36,109 --> 01:25:33,840
they immediately are like where's the

1647
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:36,119
craft where's the craft and the parents

1648
01:25:42,049 --> 01:25:38,400
of course oh you all had a you all had a

1649
01:25:45,109 --> 01:25:42,059
bad dream and they didn't they didn't

1650
01:25:48,919 --> 01:25:45,119
believe a word of it fast forward about

1651
01:25:51,729 --> 01:25:48,929
10 years and this babysitter has grown

1652
01:25:55,220 --> 01:25:51,739
up she's with her mother in a restaurant

1653
01:25:59,240 --> 01:25:55,230
about 20 miles from where this incident

1654
01:26:01,370 --> 01:25:59,250
occurred and this woman comes over she

1655
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:01,380
was the mother of those children and

1656
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:03,690
said oh I remember you you're the

1657
01:26:09,500 --> 01:26:05,730
babysitter you know that they never

1658
01:26:11,330 --> 01:26:09,510
asked back because uh you know of the

1659
01:26:15,410 --> 01:26:11,340
crazy stories and the front and back

1660
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:15,420
door being standing wide open and she

1661
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:18,570
said you know my son keeps talking about

1662
01:26:24,859 --> 01:26:21,210
that night as well I'm I think I'm

1663
01:26:26,419 --> 01:26:24,869
starting to believe him and you know so

1664
01:26:28,970 --> 01:26:26,429
the babysitter said well you know I'd

1665
01:26:31,700 --> 01:26:28,980
love to talk to him well he's he cooked

1666
01:26:33,740 --> 01:26:31,710
he's the cook in this restaurant she

1667
01:26:38,689 --> 01:26:33,750
happens to go into the one restaurant

1668
01:26:40,609 --> 01:26:38,699
where this boy now works and so they go

1669
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:40,619
and get him and he comes running out and

1670
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:42,719
he immediately says do you remember the

1671
01:26:48,850 --> 01:26:46,170
big yellow UFO and you know we saw on

1672
01:26:51,529 --> 01:26:48,860
the lawn and

1673
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:51,539
again it was like it had happened

1674
01:26:58,850 --> 01:26:54,570
yesterday to them and finally the

1675
01:27:02,479 --> 01:26:58,860
mothers said okay we believe you now and

1676
01:27:05,739 --> 01:27:02,489
at the time they didn't and she also

1677
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:05,749
would love to know what happened to her

1678
01:27:10,580 --> 01:27:08,639
during that time that she last

1679
01:27:12,859 --> 01:27:10,590
remembered them standing on the front

1680
01:27:17,239 --> 01:27:12,869
lawn to being woken up in the chair

1681
01:27:19,549 --> 01:27:17,249
inside and again this really bothers her

1682
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:19,559
it bothered her that they wouldn't

1683
01:27:24,290 --> 01:27:21,689
believe her and obviously were

1684
01:27:27,529 --> 01:27:24,300
questioning her integrity you know how

1685
01:27:30,469 --> 01:27:27,539
is this a way to take care of our kids

1686
01:27:34,279 --> 01:27:30,479
and then it bothers her that she she

1687
01:27:36,319 --> 01:27:34,289
doesn't remember well so that that is a

1688
01:27:41,330 --> 01:27:36,329
spoiler that has not been written about

1689
01:27:44,419 --> 01:27:41,340
yet but you know talking about weird you

1690
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:44,429
know school bus colored loaves of

1691
01:27:50,929 --> 01:27:48,570
Italian bread is pretty bizarre I you

1692
01:27:53,330 --> 01:27:50,939
know again if anybody out there has had

1693
01:27:56,540 --> 01:27:53,340
a similar experience please let me know

1694
01:27:59,109 --> 01:27:56,550
well if you look up the Alderney

1695
01:28:03,109 --> 01:27:59,119
sighting you know the English Channel

1696
01:28:06,379 --> 01:28:03,119
I'm pretty sure that they were bright

1697
01:28:08,509 --> 01:28:06,389
yellow too massive bright yellow like I

1698
01:28:12,290 --> 01:28:08,519
don't want to say loaves of bread but I

1699
01:28:14,299 --> 01:28:12,300
think they were shaped similar yeah okay

1700
01:28:17,209 --> 01:28:14,309
was this the one seen from that's right

1701
01:28:18,859 --> 01:28:17,219
plane yeah yeah okay but I'm pretty sure

1702
01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:18,869
they were yellow II don't recall them

1703
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:20,249
being bright yellow is what I remember

1704
01:28:26,659 --> 01:28:24,719
about that one yeah interesting Wow

1705
01:28:29,869 --> 01:28:26,669
and I've heard of strange things like

1706
01:28:34,129 --> 01:28:29,879
that for instance Gen cars on you know

1707
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,139
had a bright orange box shaped thing you

1708
01:28:38,270 --> 01:28:36,719
know as a UFO hope you know sighting it

1709
01:28:38,689 --> 01:28:38,280
i him and his brother when they were

1710
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:38,699
kids

1711
01:28:46,069 --> 01:28:43,050
haha Wow and thinking of your washing

1712
01:28:49,459 --> 01:28:46,079
machine story oh one of my favorite

1713
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:49,469
descriptions one man said he was he and

1714
01:28:53,290 --> 01:28:51,090
his friends are just hanging out sitting

1715
01:28:57,709 --> 01:28:53,300
on the hood of their car and they

1716
01:29:00,459 --> 01:28:57,719
described what looked like a norelco

1717
01:29:02,060 --> 01:29:00,469
razor you know with those three building

1718
01:29:03,740 --> 01:29:02,070
blades

1719
01:29:05,899 --> 01:29:03,750
he said that's what it looked like a

1720
01:29:10,069 --> 01:29:05,909
norelco razor with these spinning bands

1721
01:29:12,919 --> 01:29:10,079
of light came by and they're like did

1722
01:29:16,220 --> 01:29:12,929
you know what did we elucidating and

1723
01:29:19,609 --> 01:29:16,230
then on the radio it came on that this

1724
01:29:22,129 --> 01:29:19,619
UFO was being seen in the area I've

1725
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:22,139
heard of things that were described as

1726
01:29:30,649 --> 01:29:26,010
looking like made of tinker toys um

1727
01:29:34,100 --> 01:29:30,659
you know boxes of obviously you know the

1728
01:29:36,290 --> 01:29:34,110
classic discs and and cigar shaped but

1729
01:29:38,990 --> 01:29:36,300
there are some very bizarre I've heard

1730
01:29:41,899 --> 01:29:39,000
several accounts of ice-cream cone

1731
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:41,909
shaped I guess rounded I have yeah

1732
01:29:48,050 --> 01:29:45,690
recently that was brought up Oh a few

1733
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:48,060
episodes ago I think someone was talking

1734
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:53,210
about that like inverted ice cream um

1735
01:29:59,569 --> 01:29:55,770
some say it's up straight up and down

1736
01:30:00,680 --> 01:29:59,579
some on the side but yeah that ice cream

1737
01:30:04,010 --> 01:30:00,690
cone [\h__\h]

1738
01:30:06,649 --> 01:30:04,020
yes strange isn't it and I love the

1739
01:30:08,330 --> 01:30:06,659
strange ones because you know for some

1740
01:30:10,879 --> 01:30:08,340
reason I think they're almost more

1741
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:10,889
credible the more bizarre you know you

1742
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:13,610
can't make you can't they are I mean

1743
01:30:22,189 --> 01:30:19,040
yeah right now I want to talk about the

1744
01:30:23,930 --> 01:30:22,199
metallic substance the anti-gravity

1745
01:30:30,830 --> 01:30:23,940
properties that fell in Connecticut in

1746
01:30:33,620 --> 01:30:30,840
1960 so yes um this really caught my

1747
01:30:35,540 --> 01:30:33,630
attention um as I said I like to pour

1748
01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:35,550
through Blue Book cases because you know

1749
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:37,679
you can't go by the conclusion cards

1750
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:39,449
because they tried to lie about

1751
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:44,130
everything so there was a case some

1752
01:30:53,899 --> 01:30:48,530
metallic substance fell in Hartford

1753
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:53,909
town number ninety many witnesses they

1754
01:31:00,370 --> 01:30:57,090
saw this green flaming object it landed

1755
01:31:03,229 --> 01:31:00,380
in a backyard started a small fire and

1756
01:31:07,129 --> 01:31:03,239
pieces were collected it was reported to

1757
01:31:11,330 --> 01:31:07,139
the police and the conclusion was that

1758
01:31:13,310 --> 01:31:11,340
it was a piece of furnace slag well

1759
01:31:16,010 --> 01:31:13,320
that's the first piece of furnace leg in

1760
01:31:18,230 --> 01:31:16,020
history to fall out of the sky

1761
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:18,240
so right off the bat you you know

1762
01:31:24,740 --> 01:31:21,330
they're lying and the report was the

1763
01:31:26,780 --> 01:31:24,750
case file was 76 pages long and I

1764
01:31:29,510 --> 01:31:26,790
thought well isn't that an awful lot of

1765
01:31:33,290 --> 01:31:29,520
pages for a you know a simple piece of

1766
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:33,300
furnace slag so as I read further into

1767
01:31:39,620 --> 01:31:36,570
the case there was a second metallic

1768
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:39,630
fall in a town of Woodbridge to the

1769
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:41,760
south of Hartford so we have two

1770
01:31:47,780 --> 01:31:45,210
metallic substances falling they were

1771
01:31:51,470 --> 01:31:47,790
sent for chemical analysis they were

1772
01:31:54,290 --> 01:31:51,480
aluminum with extremely high levels of

1773
01:31:55,790 --> 01:31:54,300
strontium and barium I don't know what

1774
01:31:59,390 --> 01:31:55,800
that means they didn't know at the time

1775
01:32:03,700 --> 01:31:59,400
but the chemical analysis was unusual

1776
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:03,710
the real kicker was uh T Townsend Brown

1777
01:32:10,570 --> 01:32:07,250
became involved with Whitehall R and

1778
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:10,580
Townsend Brown is the man behind the

1779
01:32:18,380 --> 01:32:14,490
electrogravitics who believed he you

1780
01:32:21,950 --> 01:32:18,390
know could use electrical fields to

1781
01:32:25,460 --> 01:32:21,960
create anti-gravity of propulsion

1782
01:32:27,740 --> 01:32:25,470
I may be simplifying that a lot but just

1783
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:27,750
to give you an idea he and his

1784
01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:30,570
organization studied these samples and

1785
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:33,360
they found that these metallic samples

1786
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:37,650
were losing mass now that can happen for

1787
01:32:46,430 --> 01:32:40,290
a lot of ways outgassing difference of

1788
01:32:50,750 --> 01:32:46,440
things ox yes but what it was also doing

1789
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:50,760
was causing a weight loss in material

1790
01:32:59,360 --> 01:32:55,170
that came in contact with it or was was

1791
01:33:02,780 --> 01:32:59,370
in proximity to the samples and I read

1792
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:02,790
that several times now Project Blue Book

1793
01:33:10,310 --> 01:33:05,010
was immediately in on this case the

1794
01:33:13,660 --> 01:33:10,320
Smithsonian Harvard Observatory was it

1795
01:33:17,140 --> 01:33:13,670
all this analysis was going on because

1796
01:33:20,500 --> 01:33:17,150
metallic substances fell from the sky

1797
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:20,510
that were capable of having other

1798
01:33:29,660 --> 01:33:25,530
objects lose weight and I don't know of

1799
01:33:33,770 --> 01:33:29,670
anything in our textbooks

1800
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:33,780
that can do that and all of this

1801
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:36,210
correspondence in the file was talking

1802
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:40,050
about how this was of amazing scientific

1803
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:42,330
importance and could lead to all of

1804
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:46,770
these things and then the file ends no

1805
01:33:52,700 --> 01:33:49,530
conclusions no final reports I have no

1806
01:33:58,760 --> 01:33:52,710
idea what happened to the substances the

1807
01:34:01,520 --> 01:33:58,770
trail went crazy crazy

1808
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:01,530
I have some questions that came in for

1809
01:34:09,500 --> 01:34:06,810
you and so this one here these are from

1810
01:34:12,740 --> 01:34:09,510
Bill who writes a lot of questions to

1811
01:34:15,050 --> 01:34:12,750
our forum and I noticed our chatroom

1812
01:34:17,450 --> 01:34:15,060
unfortunately is not as something going

1813
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:17,460
on with it it's just not it's acting up

1814
01:34:22,910 --> 01:34:20,130
I'm not sure exactly why but so this

1815
01:34:25,250 --> 01:34:22,920
question we kind of addressed a little

1816
01:34:28,010 --> 01:34:25,260
bit but not not in particular to his

1817
01:34:29,959 --> 01:34:28,020
case was the Hudson Valley flap involved

1818
01:34:32,270 --> 01:34:29,969
three to four years of nearly continuous

1819
01:34:34,700 --> 01:34:32,280
sightings several times a week many of

1820
01:34:37,370 --> 01:34:34,710
these were very close to at treetop

1821
01:34:40,209 --> 01:34:37,380
level why do you think this flap was so

1822
01:34:44,650 --> 01:34:40,219
greatly underreported and

1823
01:34:51,290 --> 01:34:47,660
thank you bill that is one of my

1824
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:51,300
rallying cries um as wonderful as the

1825
01:34:57,620 --> 01:34:54,570
Phoenix lights incident was it was

1826
01:35:00,439 --> 01:34:57,630
basically one night and here in the

1827
01:35:04,870 --> 01:35:00,449
Hudson Valley that was a typical day of

1828
01:35:08,990 --> 01:35:04,880
the week we had those kind of sightings

1829
01:35:14,419 --> 01:35:09,000
constantly year after year I think two

1830
01:35:17,930 --> 01:35:14,429
things the hoaxing pilots really muddied

1831
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:17,940
the waters terribly so people who even

1832
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:21,360
saw this discounted it because they were

1833
01:35:26,510 --> 01:35:23,850
told time and time and again in the

1834
01:35:28,970 --> 01:35:26,520
newspapers or if they called the police

1835
01:35:30,860 --> 01:35:28,980
thus I've spoken to many police they

1836
01:35:34,070 --> 01:35:30,870
said regardless of what people were

1837
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:34,080
calling to report you told them it was a

1838
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:38,570
formation of planes so from the get-go

1839
01:35:47,740 --> 01:35:42,560
there was this disinformation and

1840
01:35:52,330 --> 01:35:47,750
to suppress this whole period of

1841
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:52,340
sightings why in the intervening years

1842
01:35:56,020 --> 01:35:55,130
more people don't know about it I don't

1843
01:35:58,380 --> 01:35:56,030
know

1844
01:36:01,840 --> 01:35:58,390
I'm baffled when I give a lecture

1845
01:36:03,850 --> 01:36:01,850
somewhere else in the country people say

1846
01:36:06,430 --> 01:36:03,860
well not only had I not heard of this

1847
01:36:09,490 --> 01:36:06,440
wave of sightings I'd never heard of the

1848
01:36:13,540 --> 01:36:09,500
Hudson Valley and I get asked all the

1849
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:13,550
time why don't I know about this I don't

1850
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:16,970
know so I am doing my best that's why I

1851
01:36:23,230 --> 01:36:19,610
go all over the country and do programs

1852
01:36:25,570 --> 01:36:23,240
such as yours this is something everyone

1853
01:36:30,780 --> 01:36:25,580
interested in ufology should know about

1854
01:36:33,460 --> 01:36:30,790
it should be at the top one two or three

1855
01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:33,470
locations in the world that they should

1856
01:36:38,650 --> 01:36:36,800
know about well that's that's great so

1857
01:36:42,190 --> 01:36:38,660
they were called the storm evil fliers

1858
01:36:45,910 --> 01:36:42,200
right the hoaxers storyville all right I

1859
01:36:48,820 --> 01:36:45,920
see that yeah are there any reliable

1860
01:36:50,980 --> 01:36:48,830
photos or videos of any of the Hudson

1861
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:50,990
Valley UFO sightings and if so is there

1862
01:36:58,570 --> 01:36:53,840
someplace someone can go online to see

1863
01:37:02,080 --> 01:36:58,580
any of these ah I don't know that

1864
01:37:05,710 --> 01:37:02,090
there's a central repository but if you

1865
01:37:07,630 --> 01:37:05,720
just look up Hudson Valley UFOs you know

1866
01:37:10,690 --> 01:37:07,640
particularly of the 1980s there was a

1867
01:37:13,420 --> 01:37:10,700
state trooper who took a marvelous photo

1868
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:13,430
of a circular craft with multicolored

1869
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:16,330
lights around it that's fairly famous

1870
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:19,730
there was a couple his there named were

1871
01:37:26,590 --> 01:37:22,130
hi I'll never get the name right posi

1872
01:37:30,670 --> 01:37:26,600
Olli took video and you can see this

1873
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:30,680
large craft moving along on the best

1874
01:37:38,260 --> 01:37:34,370
foot one of the best photos was taken by

1875
01:37:42,460 --> 01:37:38,270
a high school photography club member he

1876
01:37:44,020 --> 01:37:42,470
came out of his meeting one night and it

1877
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:44,030
happened to be the night those three

1878
01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:46,490
teachers saw that massive triangular

1879
01:37:52,420 --> 01:37:49,760
craft and he took a couple of photos and

1880
01:37:55,150 --> 01:37:52,430
it made it into the newspapers and it's

1881
01:37:58,060 --> 01:37:55,160
a marvelous photo of a brightly lit

1882
01:38:01,090 --> 01:37:58,070
triangle he was up at elevation so

1883
01:38:04,450 --> 01:38:01,100
you're almost looking at it at the level

1884
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:04,460
it was flying and it's also a beam of

1885
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:06,770
light coming down from the bottom of it

1886
01:38:12,990 --> 01:38:08,810
illuminating the ground Wow

1887
01:38:16,260 --> 01:38:13,000
and um so this was in the newspaper I

1888
01:38:19,030 --> 01:38:16,270
tracked this man down thirty years later

1889
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:19,040
cold called him and I said this is

1890
01:38:23,140 --> 01:38:20,690
probably going to be a blast from the

1891
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:23,150
past but are you the man who took this

1892
01:38:30,250 --> 01:38:26,210
photo and there's silence for a moment

1893
01:38:33,580 --> 01:38:30,260
and he's east he's like wow that is a

1894
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:33,590
blast for the pass he said yes I I took

1895
01:38:38,350 --> 01:38:36,290
the photo but why are you interested the

1896
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:38,360
cops told me it was planes flying in

1897
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:39,290
formation

1898
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:43,040
so I said did you even look at your own

1899
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:47,090
photo that do you still have that photo

1900
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:50,810
and maybe even the negative I get in

1901
01:38:54,700 --> 01:38:52,610
touch with him two weeks later I said

1902
01:38:57,700 --> 01:38:54,710
yeah you know I found it in the Attic

1903
01:38:59,190 --> 01:38:57,710
and my kids took it to show-and-tell and

1904
01:39:04,810 --> 01:38:59,200
I don't know what happened to it

1905
01:39:06,910 --> 01:39:04,820
hmm so hopefully it'll turn up at some

1906
01:39:09,100 --> 01:39:06,920
point but we still have the photo

1907
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:09,110
reproduced in the newspaper even though

1908
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:11,930
the resolution is not there but that one

1909
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:16,010
for sure that is in my first book in the

1910
01:39:22,990 --> 01:39:19,810
night sky and that is certainly a

1911
01:39:27,340 --> 01:39:23,000
stunning photo but the state trooper one

1912
01:39:30,700 --> 01:39:27,350
in the posi olie video are certainly

1913
01:39:34,990 --> 01:39:30,710
worth looking at as well right right now

1914
01:39:36,820 --> 01:39:35,000
what about the massive craft of people

1915
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:36,830
were reporting over a nuclear power

1916
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:39,170
plant in the Hudson River are you

1917
01:39:46,930 --> 01:39:41,890
familiar with that yes oh absolutely

1918
01:39:49,990 --> 01:39:46,940
Indian Point nuclear power plant a lot

1919
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:50,000
of people say that's why UFOs are drawn

1920
01:39:55,690 --> 01:39:53,210
to this area but clearly we had activity

1921
01:39:58,570 --> 01:39:55,700
you know generations before the power

1922
01:40:01,240 --> 01:39:58,580
plant but certainly a lot of activity

1923
01:40:04,690 --> 01:40:01,250
has been centered over that power plant

1924
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:04,700
I did interview one of the guards who

1925
01:40:10,900 --> 01:40:09,170
was working there one of the

1926
01:40:15,100 --> 01:40:10,910
Ickes I say one because there were

1927
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:15,110
several that this massive triangular

1928
01:40:25,810 --> 01:40:19,130
boomerang shaped craft hovered directly

1929
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:25,820
over one of the reactors and in fact are

1930
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:28,010
we there they had their guns do we shoot

1931
01:40:31,060 --> 01:40:28,610
at it

1932
01:40:34,709 --> 01:40:31,070
is going to make any difference what do

1933
01:40:38,620 --> 01:40:34,719
we do they didn't know what to do um

1934
01:40:41,470 --> 01:40:38,630
another person I interviewed he was

1935
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:41,480
taking the garbage out one night and he

1936
01:40:46,030 --> 01:40:43,520
was directly across the river from the

1937
01:40:52,030 --> 01:40:46,040
power plant had a fabulous view of it

1938
01:40:54,939 --> 01:40:52,040
and he said this enormous craft um kind

1939
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:54,949
of circular just odd shaped massive

1940
01:40:59,410 --> 01:40:57,170
craft directly over the power plant

1941
01:41:01,479 --> 01:40:59,420
he yelled for his wife and she's like

1942
01:41:03,130 --> 01:41:01,489
I'm in my underwear because I don't care

1943
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:03,140
you get out here so she comes running

1944
01:41:07,450 --> 01:41:04,489
out in her underwear and they're

1945
01:41:11,410 --> 01:41:07,460
standing looking at this thing just

1946
01:41:13,689 --> 01:41:11,420
awestruck and they hear a helicopter a

1947
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:13,699
military helicopter coming down the

1948
01:41:20,020 --> 01:41:17,330
river towards this object he said this

1949
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:20,030
massive object started to move and he

1950
01:41:27,790 --> 01:41:25,370
said just went said gone and the flash

1951
01:41:33,330 --> 01:41:27,800
of an eye and this helicopter by the

1952
01:41:36,540 --> 01:41:33,340
time it got there it was long gone so

1953
01:41:40,500 --> 01:41:36,550
there have been all kinds of reports

1954
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:40,510
over the years I have not heard of any

1955
01:41:47,850 --> 01:41:43,760
recently within the last several years

1956
01:41:51,370 --> 01:41:47,860
or actually in the last decade but

1957
01:41:55,030 --> 01:41:51,380
numerous people I have personally spoken

1958
01:41:57,250 --> 01:41:55,040
to have seen a variety of craft directly

1959
01:42:01,180 --> 01:41:57,260
over the nuclear power plant and an

1960
01:42:04,030 --> 01:42:01,190
interesting thing um this nuclear

1961
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:04,040
facility is going to shut down in two

1962
01:42:09,790 --> 01:42:05,920
years the governor announced that

1963
01:42:15,430 --> 01:42:09,800
earlier this year so I'm wondering how

1964
01:42:17,860 --> 01:42:15,440
that might affect UFO activity as it's

1965
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:17,870
being decommissioned and shut down and

1966
01:42:22,990 --> 01:42:19,370
once it is shut down

1967
01:42:26,290 --> 01:42:23,000
will there be less will there be more

1968
01:42:29,050 --> 01:42:26,300
for a time period certainly something

1969
01:42:30,700 --> 01:42:29,060
something to be cognizant of in the next

1970
01:42:32,830 --> 01:42:30,710
couple of years I'm not really sure how

1971
01:42:36,220 --> 01:42:32,840
long it takes them after they

1972
01:42:38,530 --> 01:42:36,230
decommission it to actually deconstruct

1973
01:42:40,690 --> 01:42:38,540
it you know I mean I think it it's a

1974
01:42:45,820 --> 01:42:40,700
lengthy process we might have to wait a

1975
01:42:51,340 --> 01:42:45,830
long time I believe it is I yeah I would

1976
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:51,350
I would think now it this other question

1977
01:42:57,190 --> 01:42:53,210
he posed here you have investigated

1978
01:42:59,320 --> 01:42:57,200
cases of multi-generational abduction do

1979
01:43:01,360 --> 01:42:59,330
you have any speculation as to why

1980
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:01,370
abductions would be multi-generational

1981
01:43:05,260 --> 01:43:03,170
I've always wondered that should we

1982
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:05,270
worry more about genetically modified

1983
01:43:10,410 --> 01:43:07,520
people than about to medically

1984
01:43:14,170 --> 01:43:10,420
genetically modified crops I love it

1985
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:14,180
well um we should certainly worry to

1986
01:43:21,060 --> 01:43:19,010
some degree because ah I didn't expect

1987
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:21,070
to come across much in the way of

1988
01:43:27,220 --> 01:43:24,560
abduction cases and my very first

1989
01:43:31,870 --> 01:43:27,230
interview was of a man who had a

1990
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:31,880
multi-generational case his parents

1991
01:43:39,730 --> 01:43:34,960
started having missing time and seeing

1992
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:39,740
strange beings back in the 1930s and now

1993
01:43:46,270 --> 01:43:42,410
the grandchildren are having so we have

1994
01:43:50,500 --> 01:43:46,280
four generations of these types of

1995
01:43:52,990 --> 01:43:50,510
experiences and he is certainly not

1996
01:43:55,780 --> 01:43:53,000
alone many times somebody I'll be

1997
01:43:58,300 --> 01:43:55,790
interviewing someone and it's something

1998
01:44:01,150 --> 01:43:58,310
very intense missing time or some

1999
01:44:03,190 --> 01:44:01,160
abduction like case and I'll say did

2000
01:44:03,850 --> 01:44:03,200
your parents ever have anything or your

2001
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:03,860
children

2002
01:44:09,460 --> 01:44:06,080
no absolutely well now that you mention

2003
01:44:11,380 --> 01:44:09,470
it you know my mother in the 50s or 60s

2004
01:44:14,020 --> 01:44:11,390
and you'll find out and then my

2005
01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:14,030
grandmother had and once they start

2006
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:16,370
thinking about it you know so many

2007
01:44:21,940 --> 01:44:18,530
people say I never pieced that together

2008
01:44:25,660 --> 01:44:21,950
before and you know as a former

2009
01:44:27,540 --> 01:44:25,670
scientist um you would love to do

2010
01:44:31,570 --> 01:44:27,550
multi-gender whatever you're studying

2011
01:44:33,670 --> 01:44:31,580
you would love to study generations for

2012
01:44:34,819 --> 01:44:33,680
whatever traits or experiments you're

2013
01:44:39,259 --> 01:44:34,829
conducting

2014
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:39,269
or whatever it is you are examining them

2015
01:44:49,310 --> 01:44:45,570
for um so to me it's the perfect science

2016
01:44:52,549 --> 01:44:49,320
experiment and it's frightening to me

2017
01:44:54,649 --> 01:44:52,559
right I've never understood when these

2018
01:44:57,770 --> 01:44:54,659
people say that they just keep coming

2019
01:45:00,979 --> 01:44:57,780
back I never near could never understand

2020
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:00,989
Stan why that would be so and unless

2021
01:45:08,689 --> 01:45:03,570
they were doing something some type of

2022
01:45:12,819 --> 01:45:08,699
process you know that takes time one man

2023
01:45:16,729 --> 01:45:12,829
I wrote about in the this latest book um

2024
01:45:22,179 --> 01:45:16,739
was so traumatized by his multiple

2025
01:45:25,609 --> 01:45:22,189
childhood violations let's call them um

2026
01:45:30,049 --> 01:45:25,619
he flat out and simple said to me I

2027
01:45:32,719 --> 01:45:30,059
would shoot them all if I could um he's

2028
01:45:36,679 --> 01:45:32,729
grown up he's gone through therapy he's

2029
01:45:39,679 --> 01:45:36,689
gotten over a good portion of it but

2030
01:45:42,500 --> 01:45:39,689
when especially when you're a little kid

2031
01:45:46,129 --> 01:45:42,510
and you're something's happening that's

2032
01:45:50,959 --> 01:45:46,139
out of your control you're in pain your

2033
01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:50,969
parents don't believe you um you know I

2034
01:45:56,329 --> 01:45:53,760
I do have I have to say I do have cases

2035
01:45:59,599 --> 01:45:56,339
where people think they've benefited

2036
01:46:02,779 --> 01:45:59,609
from these encounters and they feel that

2037
01:46:05,839 --> 01:46:02,789
they're healthier or smarter or just a

2038
01:46:09,319 --> 01:46:05,849
better person but so many people have

2039
01:46:12,229 --> 01:46:09,329
been traumatized for life due to their

2040
01:46:15,829 --> 01:46:12,239
experiences and when you can't even feel

2041
01:46:18,049 --> 01:46:15,839
safe in your own home that is the worst

2042
01:46:19,759 --> 01:46:18,059
violation I've said it many times if

2043
01:46:21,529 --> 01:46:19,769
something like this was actually

2044
01:46:24,169 --> 01:46:21,539
happening I knew it was happening to me

2045
01:46:27,469 --> 01:46:24,179
I think I'd go crazy I don't know you

2046
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:27,479
know where you can't hide anywhere no

2047
01:46:32,359 --> 01:46:30,570
you know I mean it just seems up I don't

2048
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:32,369
know how people could function in day to

2049
01:46:40,540 --> 01:46:36,050
day life if this is really happening and

2050
01:46:43,939 --> 01:46:40,550
some of them can't like this one man was

2051
01:46:46,459 --> 01:46:43,949
mentally affected and physically ill for

2052
01:46:48,530 --> 01:46:46,469
decades till he came to grips with it

2053
01:46:50,780 --> 01:46:48,540
and started working through it

2054
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:50,790
and you know what finally happens if

2055
01:46:54,350 --> 01:46:52,410
you're going to get over it a lot of

2056
01:46:56,990 --> 01:46:54,360
people say I'm not going to let them

2057
01:46:59,330 --> 01:46:57,000
ruin my life and it's that human

2058
01:47:02,750 --> 01:46:59,340
stubbornness and resilience I think

2059
01:47:05,390 --> 01:47:02,760
which finally kicks in but I'm just

2060
01:47:07,820 --> 01:47:05,400
freaked out from that hour and that

2061
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:07,830
other night I can't remember I'm not

2062
01:47:15,080 --> 01:47:10,290
saying I was abducted or experimented on

2063
01:47:16,090 --> 01:47:15,090
but just that act of do messing with my

2064
01:47:20,330 --> 01:47:16,100
memory

2065
01:47:25,070 --> 01:47:20,340
that's that's appalling yeah no I get it

2066
01:47:26,660 --> 01:47:25,080
I get it yeah when someone you said gets

2067
01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:26,670
through it they actually go to therapy

2068
01:47:38,410 --> 01:47:30,800
so they would actually bring this

2069
01:47:42,740 --> 01:47:38,420
subject up to a therapist yes and that

2070
01:47:45,650 --> 01:47:42,750
can be damaging in itself I know one

2071
01:47:48,850 --> 01:47:45,660
woman I recently spoke to said the first

2072
01:47:51,530 --> 01:47:48,860
therapist was oh well you are obviously

2073
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:51,540
sexually abused by your parents that's

2074
01:47:56,900 --> 01:47:53,970
why you have these abduction scenarios

2075
01:48:02,330 --> 01:47:56,910
and here take this prescription and get

2076
01:48:04,610 --> 01:48:02,340
over it and you know it's so you have to

2077
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:04,620
find the right therapist I don't know

2078
01:48:08,210 --> 01:48:05,850
how you go about that

2079
01:48:13,150 --> 01:48:08,220
I guess you keep trying till you get

2080
01:48:17,780 --> 01:48:13,160
someone who will listen to you um but

2081
01:48:20,810 --> 01:48:17,790
it's not an easy thing to share that

2082
01:48:22,780 --> 01:48:20,820
your your personal deep dark secrets

2083
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:22,790
with strangers even if they are

2084
01:48:29,330 --> 01:48:27,570
therapists and sometimes I feel I feel

2085
01:48:32,660 --> 01:48:29,340
honored but I feel a little

2086
01:48:35,060 --> 01:48:32,670
uncomfortable with the things people

2087
01:48:36,830 --> 01:48:35,070
tell me you know that they might not

2088
01:48:42,380 --> 01:48:36,840
even have told their spouse or their

2089
01:48:44,900 --> 01:48:42,390
best friends and so you know I I respect

2090
01:48:49,310 --> 01:48:44,910
their privacy and will never divulge

2091
01:48:51,110 --> 01:48:49,320
their their names and identities but the

2092
01:48:53,390 --> 01:48:51,120
things people share with me I have

2093
01:48:56,540 --> 01:48:53,400
trouble sleeping after I I listen to

2094
01:48:59,240 --> 01:48:56,550
some of these stories right right we

2095
01:49:02,389 --> 01:48:59,250
have a friend of the show it's an actor

2096
01:49:05,449 --> 01:49:02,399
producer that had a series going

2097
01:49:08,419 --> 01:49:05,459
for guest three years in a row called

2098
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:08,429
Milgram and the fast walkers and that

2099
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:11,610
was actually about he was a psychiatrist

2100
01:49:15,830 --> 01:49:14,159
and interviewing a woman that was going

2101
01:49:19,369 --> 01:49:15,840
through abduction that's kind of how

2102
01:49:21,799 --> 01:49:19,379
that series was now another question up

2103
01:49:23,659 --> 01:49:21,809
here do you think well why do you think

2104
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:23,669
people are so reluctant to accept the

2105
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:26,239
existence of USO UFO s despite

2106
01:49:31,369 --> 01:49:28,800
overwhelmingly abundant eyewitness

2107
01:49:33,859 --> 01:49:31,379
testimony and physical evidence we have

2108
01:49:36,290 --> 01:49:33,869
testimony from former presidents ranking

2109
01:49:39,319 --> 01:49:36,300
military airline pilots law enforcement

2110
01:49:41,449 --> 01:49:39,329
etc and so he basically wants your

2111
01:49:45,129 --> 01:49:41,459
opinion and why you think it's still

2112
01:49:49,459 --> 01:49:45,139
being people are reluctant to

2113
01:49:54,979 --> 01:49:49,469
acknowledge it I don't know if it's

2114
01:50:00,159 --> 01:49:54,989
their own fear um because I I can't

2115
01:50:05,719 --> 01:50:02,750
educated people who see this

2116
01:50:08,209 --> 01:50:05,729
preponderance of evidence and still deny

2117
01:50:13,219 --> 01:50:08,219
it you know these professional skeptics

2118
01:50:14,810 --> 01:50:13,229
um it's so frustrating I yes you should

2119
01:50:17,810 --> 01:50:14,820
have a healthy skepticism about

2120
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:17,820
everything in life but when you see a

2121
01:50:23,330 --> 01:50:20,610
hundred years of evidence from as you

2122
01:50:25,129 --> 01:50:23,340
say all of these credible people are

2123
01:50:28,369 --> 01:50:25,139
they all hallucinating are they all

2124
01:50:33,319 --> 01:50:28,379
crazy is it all hoaxing pilots and

2125
01:50:38,119 --> 01:50:33,329
Chinese lanterns it's it is not I find

2126
01:50:40,729 --> 01:50:38,129
it very unreasonable to not look at this

2127
01:50:45,889 --> 01:50:40,739
evidence and conclude there is something

2128
01:50:48,199 --> 01:50:45,899
we can't explain out there it's there is

2129
01:50:51,979 --> 01:50:48,209
no reason to not believe it at this

2130
01:50:55,339 --> 01:50:51,989
point in time for sure it reminds me all

2131
01:50:57,589 --> 01:50:55,349
the time I'm a big Marx Brothers Ben and

2132
01:51:00,080 --> 01:50:57,599
if you remember the one where Groucho

2133
01:51:03,619 --> 01:51:00,090
was at the college and he sang the song

2134
01:51:05,389 --> 01:51:03,629
whatever it is I'm against it um and

2135
01:51:07,580 --> 01:51:05,399
that's that's what these people are like

2136
01:51:08,569 --> 01:51:07,590
I don't care what you show me I'm

2137
01:51:10,729 --> 01:51:08,579
against it

2138
01:51:15,860 --> 01:51:10,739
yeah yeah their minds made up already

2139
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:15,870
before beforehand and and I

2140
01:51:22,490 --> 01:51:19,530
it's kind of like I guess you'd have to

2141
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:22,500
look at it that my mind's made up

2142
01:51:26,930 --> 01:51:23,370
already

2143
01:51:28,910 --> 01:51:26,940
to that something is going on and if I

2144
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:28,920
was told that there's no way that

2145
01:51:33,530 --> 01:51:31,410
there's something going on I guess I

2146
01:51:37,340 --> 01:51:33,540
wouldn't listen to it so that's the

2147
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:37,350
other side of it well but you have all

2148
01:51:44,030 --> 01:51:40,890
of these examples if someone came came

2149
01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:44,040
by and gave you a reasonable or

2150
01:51:50,540 --> 01:51:47,130
down-to-earth explanation for every

2151
01:51:53,930 --> 01:51:50,550
single one of these thousand UFO cases

2152
01:51:55,750 --> 01:51:53,940
you're aware of you'd have to listen but

2153
01:51:59,240 --> 01:51:55,760
you can't just make a blanket statement

2154
01:52:03,710 --> 01:51:59,250
they don't exist because I think so yeah

2155
01:52:07,460 --> 01:52:03,720
you know because they can't exist so we

2156
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:07,470
have the side of the evidence I think

2157
01:52:15,320 --> 01:52:11,130
and that if you won't open your mind

2158
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:15,330
long enough to look at it fairly then

2159
01:52:19,700 --> 01:52:17,610
you have no right to discredit anyone

2160
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:19,710
right right

2161
01:52:24,590 --> 01:52:22,530
now what about beings does anyone has

2162
01:52:26,570 --> 01:52:24,600
anyone talked about any seeing any

2163
01:52:29,180 --> 01:52:26,580
beings I know you mentioned earlier that

2164
01:52:31,250 --> 01:52:29,190
they saw them backlit inside of one of

2165
01:52:33,440 --> 01:52:31,260
the crafts or something like that but

2166
01:52:37,610 --> 01:52:33,450
I'm actually on the ground type of

2167
01:52:40,070 --> 01:52:37,620
situation yes um

2168
01:52:43,100 --> 01:52:40,080
this latest book had a very chilling

2169
01:52:45,530 --> 01:52:43,110
account where two young women they're

2170
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:45,540
headed to the shopping mall and you know

2171
01:52:49,490 --> 01:52:47,610
they're just gabbing and talking and

2172
01:52:51,380 --> 01:52:49,500
they're driving along a dark road and

2173
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:51,390
they see something in the road up ahead

2174
01:52:56,990 --> 01:52:53,130
and they think it must be a deer or

2175
01:53:01,390 --> 01:52:57,000
something so the woman the driver slows

2176
01:53:04,010 --> 01:53:01,400
down and she said she knew nothing about

2177
01:53:08,900 --> 01:53:04,020
aliens at this point it's in the early

2178
01:53:12,440 --> 01:53:08,910
80s and she said there was this person

2179
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:12,450
standing there with no clothes on but it

2180
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:14,880
was just this greyish skinned person

2181
01:53:23,060 --> 01:53:19,010
about six feet tall very thin limbs a

2182
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:23,070
big head but the way she said those eyes

2183
01:53:29,149 --> 01:53:26,570
it was those eyes looking at us huge

2184
01:53:32,419 --> 01:53:29,159
almond shape eyes

2185
01:53:38,209 --> 01:53:32,429
she said they passed within a foot or

2186
01:53:42,050 --> 01:53:38,219
two of this figure standing there and it

2187
01:53:43,010 --> 01:53:42,060
just it just seemed to be reading them

2188
01:53:46,700 --> 01:53:43,020
like a book

2189
01:53:50,510 --> 01:53:46,710
looking at them and she you know she

2190
01:53:54,530 --> 01:53:50,520
took off and she said it wasn't until

2191
01:53:58,189 --> 01:53:54,540
years later she was somewhere and picked

2192
01:54:00,740 --> 01:53:58,199
up a book about grey aliens and she said

2193
01:54:02,750 --> 01:54:00,750
that's that's what we saw she had no

2194
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:02,760
idea she said for years she and her

2195
01:54:08,450 --> 01:54:04,650
girlfriend joked that they had seen the

2196
01:54:10,340 --> 01:54:08,460
Elephant Man because of its gray skin so

2197
01:54:12,260 --> 01:54:10,350
it wasn't like you know she was out

2198
01:54:14,060 --> 01:54:12,270
looking for their going shopping and she

2199
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:14,070
had no clue and could care less about

2200
01:54:21,770 --> 01:54:18,239
anything extraterrestrial so I found

2201
01:54:23,149 --> 01:54:21,780
that to be a very chilling case for sure

2202
01:54:27,649 --> 01:54:23,159
oh that's that's excellent

2203
01:54:30,890 --> 01:54:27,659
really and the last question now you may

2204
01:54:34,580 --> 01:54:30,900
have already answered this up where

2205
01:54:37,629 --> 01:54:34,590
there was a busy intersection or a busy

2206
01:54:39,860 --> 01:54:37,639
interstate 84 when a bunch of people

2207
01:54:42,110 --> 01:54:39,870
stopped I guess

2208
01:54:45,439 --> 01:54:42,120
caused traffic to stop is that one

2209
01:54:49,580 --> 01:54:45,449
you've already addressed well that

2210
01:54:53,570 --> 01:54:49,590
happened regularly during that 1980s

2211
01:54:56,959 --> 01:54:53,580
wave for whatever reason the craft was

2212
01:55:02,209 --> 01:54:56,969
seen going back and forth over the route

2213
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:02,219
84 corridor and many times tractor

2214
01:55:08,090 --> 01:55:05,850
trailers and regular motorists would

2215
01:55:10,189 --> 01:55:08,100
just stop dead sometimes they'd pull

2216
01:55:13,220 --> 01:55:10,199
over sometimes they would just stop in

2217
01:55:15,649 --> 01:55:13,230
the middle of the road and get out which

2218
01:55:17,930 --> 01:55:15,659
is not a safe thing to do on this

2219
01:55:21,260 --> 01:55:17,940
particularly high a particular highway

2220
01:55:24,470 --> 01:55:21,270
but hundreds of people would do this on

2221
01:55:28,220 --> 01:55:24,480
the highways in the area and get out of

2222
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:28,230
their cars and just stand there 5 10 20

2223
01:55:34,610 --> 01:55:30,810
minutes watching these craft stopping

2224
01:55:38,990 --> 01:55:34,620
traffic so how that didn't get to be

2225
01:55:40,570 --> 01:55:39,000
nationally known I'm I'm at a loss yeah

2226
01:55:42,890 --> 01:55:40,580
Wow

2227
01:55:46,100 --> 01:55:42,900
would you say

2228
01:55:48,680 --> 01:55:46,110
is there any particular case that comes

2229
01:55:51,470 --> 01:55:48,690
to mind that you think is the most

2230
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:51,480
spectacular case as far as the amount of

2231
01:55:55,490 --> 01:55:54,090
witnesses is it or is it generally what

2232
01:55:59,930 --> 01:55:55,500
you were just talking about along that

2233
01:56:07,790 --> 01:55:59,940
highway I would I would probably have to

2234
01:56:12,740 --> 01:56:07,800
say March 17th and 24th of 1983 were the

2235
01:56:15,590 --> 01:56:12,750
two a big banner days of those massive

2236
01:56:19,310 --> 01:56:15,600
triangular craft seen by thousands of

2237
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:19,320
people so if I was to pick just single

2238
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:24,210
days the sheer number of witnesses and

2239
01:56:34,510 --> 01:56:29,520
the intensity that for sure and also a

2240
01:56:37,190 --> 01:56:34,520
smaller case last November um three

2241
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:37,200
different groups of sightings around the

2242
01:56:43,310 --> 01:56:41,010
Hudson Valley occurred with one with

2243
01:56:49,450 --> 01:56:43,320
some sort of creature type sightings

2244
01:56:53,750 --> 01:56:49,460
other with mental influence sightings so

2245
01:56:56,660 --> 01:56:53,760
when I do like the cases that have occur

2246
01:56:58,990 --> 01:56:56,670
in multiple locations on the same night

2247
01:57:03,170 --> 01:56:59,000
as well I love those two and I also like

2248
01:57:06,290 --> 01:57:03,180
police officer cases as well when

2249
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:06,300
they're involved oh yes I do have an

2250
01:57:10,610 --> 01:57:08,400
entire chapter of police officer

2251
01:57:12,380 --> 01:57:10,620
sightings in this book excellent well

2252
01:57:14,330 --> 01:57:12,390
where can someone find the book beside

2253
01:57:18,860 --> 01:57:14,340
Amazon do you happen to have a website

2254
01:57:23,930 --> 01:57:18,870
or anything yes um they can get in touch

2255
01:57:29,540 --> 01:57:23,940
with me through go to Zim comm g OT o z

2256
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:29,550
IM calm but it's on amazon it's it's in

2257
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:32,610
kindle format most of my books are

2258
01:57:39,110 --> 01:57:35,850
Barnes and Noble but if you want a

2259
01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:39,120
personalized copy um you know you can

2260
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:41,130
certainly get in touch with me I have no

2261
01:57:44,930 --> 01:57:43,530
problem excellent okay well I want to

2262
01:57:48,770 --> 01:57:44,940
thank you so much it's been a real

2263
01:57:51,140 --> 01:57:48,780
pleasure Linda as always thank you it's

2264
01:57:53,870 --> 01:57:51,150
always delightful and enjoy your trip

2265
01:57:56,150 --> 01:57:53,880
I'll say thanks a lot all right all

2266
01:57:59,150 --> 01:57:56,160
right you take care I

2267
01:58:02,720 --> 01:57:59,160
by alright everyone thanks so much for

2268
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:02,730
listening and show next week I believe

2269
01:58:07,850 --> 01:58:05,970
is going to be a Nick Redfern I'm just

2270
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:07,860
waiting to hear confirmation back from

2271
01:58:16,120 --> 01:58:11,850
him and that will be Wednesday the 21st

2272
01:58:19,850 --> 01:58:16,130
and it's going to be one I'm yeah 1 2 3

2273
01:58:21,470 --> 01:58:19,860
p.m. Eastern Standard Time if you want

2274
01:58:25,850 --> 01:58:21,480
to watch it live otherwise it'll be

2275
01:58:27,980 --> 01:58:25,860
posted as a podcast as usual and so I

2276
01:58:29,780 --> 01:58:27,990
want to thank some people that helped

2277
01:58:32,360 --> 01:58:29,790
out with the show Alejandro Rojas with

2278
01:58:35,300 --> 01:58:32,370
the news of course Peggy for helping out

2279
01:58:38,390 --> 01:58:35,310
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2280
01:58:41,890 --> 01:58:38,400
us on Facebook we have 23,000 people or

2281
01:58:45,140 --> 01:58:41,900
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2282
01:58:48,770 --> 01:58:45,150
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2283
01:58:51,340 --> 01:58:48,780
information every day there so check

2284
01:58:53,870 --> 01:58:51,350
that out and we'll be back next week

2285
01:58:56,120 --> 01:58:53,880
again I want to thank you everyone for

2286
01:58:58,080 --> 01:58:56,130
listening and remember to keep your eyes

2287
01:59:03,300 --> 01:58:58,090
to the sky